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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:06 pm
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quite off topic, but i hate cuan chi's name, it sounds like a chocolate bar...
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:50 pm
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 finally you have an avatar........
and yes I hate quan chis name also it just doesent sound cool I also hate drahims name..........
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:06 pm
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I like Quan Chi's name.
though I hate very typical names like "Reptile" or "C/Khameleon" or "Frost"
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:16 pm
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| Jay wrote: | | though I hate very typical names like "Reptile" or "C/Khameleon" or "Frost" |
hehe, i like those names, they suit them... i guess you never played kameo then, you would *hate* it
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:23 pm
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I just have a few things to mention on the topic...
...the Shirai Ryu (Scorp's old clan) was a clan of assassins. Thus Scorpion definitely used to be evil. I'd consider him as evil in MKI as well but your depiction of good and evil in the games is different. To be evil in the games you basically fight along Tsung or Kahn, then later Shinnok and Onaga. That doesn't mean they're necessarily not evil. Darrius would be considered evil in the Orderrealm, but not necessarily evil game-wise. Hope that makes sense.
In that sense, Scorpion has an evil heart, but that can be disproven by his actions in MKII. Scorpion killed Sub-Zero V (Noob Saibot) in MKI, and then found out that Sub-Zero was back in the next tournament, thus entered to slay him. Of course, the Sub-Zero in MKII was Noob Saibot's younger brother. Scorpion saw the younger Sub-Zero spare the life of an enemy and knew that couldn't have been the same Sub-Zero as before. He then vows to protect the younger Sub-Zero to make up for slaying his brother.
His alignment changes to neutral in UMK3 when Kahn attempts to take the souls of the Netherrealm. Scorpion is able to be free on Earth and is a total 'wild card', unstoppable to any. His alignment reverts to evil when he decides to work for Kahn, and stop Earthrealm's champions. In this process he runs into Sub-Zero, who he has sworn to protect. Again, Scorpion's alignment becomes good as he aides Sub-Zero and the Earthrealm warriors in defeating Kahn.
Scorp's MKIV ending is supposed non-canon due to how Scorpion attacks Sub-Zero, which he has sworn not to do. It is supposed Sub-Zero tells him Quan Chi is responsible, and it plays out from there.
Basically Scorpion changes his alignment as time goes on. He's nuetral now and will most likely be neutral as time goes on.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:40 pm
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I hate that whole bieng the younger Sub-Zero's protector concept, but w/e. Based on Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, however, Scorpion's MK ending really happenned.
So what I'm guessing happened is that when Quan Chi and Scorpion met up before/during MK4, the sorcerer fed him the belief that the younger Sub-Zero had to do with Scorpion's family/clan's murders, which explains why Scorpion allied with Shinnok's forces.. I mean, Quan Chi is second-most manipulative character (next to Nitara) in MK.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:23 am
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so i guess the aswer to the question is no scorpion isn't bad and has a reason for everything he does.........
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:17 pm
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is revenge a reason though?
i meen revenge is generally considered a bad thing
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:37 pm
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Well I think the best answer to the queston is that he's neutral
But if was categorized to either good or evil, then he'd be evil.
To be considered "good" in MK, you have be affiliated with the Forces of Light in some way, which Scorpion isn't.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:54 am
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| l{ombat_l{rave wrote: | | His alignment changes to neutral in UMK3 when Kahn attempts to take the souls of the Netherrealm. |
Just wanted to tweak a couple things. Technically in MK2 he was still neutral, as he was only there to track down Sub-Zero since he thought it was the original, not help or fight the forces of light or darkness. So technically it didn't change to neutral, that's how it was, even in MK1.
| Quote: | | His alignment reverts to evil when he decides to work for Kahn, and stop Earthrealm's champions. In this process he runs into Sub-Zero, who he has sworn to protect. Again, Scorpion's alignment becomes good as he aides Sub-Zero and the Earthrealm warriors in defeating Kahn. |
I would say Scorpion always knew that his "alignment" to Shao Kahn was temporary at best. He originally accepted Kahns invitation to join his forces (because it was Shao Kahn who inadvertenly freed him), but realizes soon that he'd be forced to fight the Sub-Zero he swore to defend. That's when abandons his "alliance" to Kahn.
| Quote: | | Scorp's MKIV ending is supposed non-canon due to how Scorpion attacks Sub-Zero, which he has sworn not to do. It is supposed Sub-Zero tells him Quan Chi is responsible, and it plays out from there. |
His MK4/MKG ending is established canon (see MKDA profiles of those associated with his MK4 ending). I believe what happened was, after the events of MK3, Scorpion remembered about the death of his wife, son and his clan (for some reason it took him three games to remember), and assumed it was the Lin Kuei and Sub-Zero's doing. He then decides to take out his vengence on the younger brother. When given the chance to escape from hell by Quan Chi, he took the opportunity to kill Sub-Zero. He then finds out it was Quan Chi who killed his family and clan, and has them both teleported to the Neatherrealm. The reason he finally decided to avenge his family and clan (as opposed to just himself, which he did in MK1) was because spending so much time in the Neatherrealm frusterated and enraged him to the boiling point (literally, hehe). Just speculation on my end, but his MK4/MKG ending is canon.
So, what I'm saying is, Scorpion has always basically been neutral. Even when he agreed to serve Shao Kahn, and later Shinnok/Quan Chi, he did it under alterior and person motives, which was the only reason he agreed to work for them, though in both cases he eventually broke away from those allegiances.
That's it for me. 
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:50 am
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i just knew amphibious would come and explain everything.........
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:43 pm
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| Ol' Reptilian One wrote: | | Technically in MK2 he was still neutral, as he was only there to track down Sub-Zero since he thought it was the original, not help or fight the forces of light or darkness. So technically it didn't change to neutral, that's how it was, even in MK1. |
In aiding Sub-Zero he was technically fighting for good. I'm not sure we have the same view on that. I believe fighting for good puts you on the side of 'good', and fighting for evil puts you on the side of 'evil', even if it's only temporary. Helping Sub-Zero can be considered good while in MKI, his intentions were purely, and obviously neutral.
| Frogger wrote: | | I believe what happened was, after the events of MK3, Scorpion remembered about the death of his wife, son and his clan (for some reason it took him three games to remember), and assumed it was the Lin Kuei and Sub-Zero's doing. |
Or, maybe, Quan Chi manipulated him, but you're right, that's far-fetched. I figure now I was losing it when I said the MKIV ending isn't canon, it just made no sense since it contradicted his previous behavior. But us fanboys can save their mistakes. The only reason that ending happened like that to begin with was because rivalries sell, and Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion is everyone's favorite rivalry.
| Killer Lizard wrote: | | So, what I'm saying is, Scorpion has always basically been neutral. Even when he agreed to serve Shao Kahn, and later Shinnok/Quan Chi, he did it under alterior and person motives, which was the only reason he agreed to work for them, though in both cases he eventually broke away from those allegiances. |
So what you're saying is, we're not arguing MK, we're arguing alignments. Got it. Well, the way I see it there are the game's alignments and there are the character's alignments. Scorpion is always neutral, but according to each game he sometimes fights for a specific side. (MKII=good, MK3=evil)
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You thought wrong, my friend.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:18 pm
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i just wanted to compliment your other nicknames for Amphibious, so thanks for the laugh
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:40 pm
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Amphibians and Reptiles are two distinct species. I resent being compared. 
| l{ombat_l{rave wrote: | | Ol' Reptilian One wrote: | | Technically in MK2 he was still neutral, as he was only there to track down Sub-Zero since he thought it was the original, not help or fight the forces of light or darkness. So technically it didn't change to neutral, that's how it was, even in MK1. |
In aiding Sub-Zero he was technically fighting for good. I'm not sure we have the same view on that. I believe fighting for good puts you on the side of 'good', and fighting for evil puts you on the side of 'evil', even if it's only temporary. Helping Sub-Zero can be considered good while in MKI, his intentions were purely, and obviously neutral. |
So this is where we differ. I consider those fighting to actually defeat the main foe or fight their opposition the deciding factor of good or evil. In MK4, by your definition Scorpion would be "bad" because he was alligned to Quan Chi in order to get to Sub-Zero, and because he was fighting someone on the forces of light. I'd consider him neutral because, whatever "alliance" he made, it was just a guise to allow him to persue his own ambitions and quests.
| {}{}{}{}rave wrote: | | Frogger wrote: | | I believe what happened was, after the events of MK3, Scorpion remembered about the death of his wife, son and his clan (for some reason it took him three games to remember), and assumed it was the Lin Kuei and Sub-Zero's doing. |
Or, maybe, Quan Chi manipulated him, but you're right, that's far-fetched. I figure now I was losing it when I said the MKIV ending isn't canon, it just made no sense since it contradicted his previous behavior. But us fanboys can save their mistakes. The only reason that ending happened like that to begin with was because rivalries sell, and Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion is everyone's favorite rivalry. |
I'm not going to lie and disagree with you about the whole rivalry sells thing, because its true. With that said though, Scorpion's bio and ending in MK4 are canon, which leaves us, the fans, to speculate as to why he decided to go after the younger Sub-Zero once again. I provided my reasoning, which I think works to a degree, and I've yet to see a better explanation for Scorpion's attitude change.
| [[[[[[[[[[[[rav3 wrote: | | Killer Lizard wrote: | | So, what I'm saying is, Scorpion has always basically been neutral. Even when he agreed to serve Shao Kahn, and later Shinnok/Quan Chi, he did it under alterior and person motives, which was the only reason he agreed to work for them, though in both cases he eventually broke away from those allegiances. |
So what you're saying is, we're not arguing MK, we're arguing alignments. Got it. Well, the way I see it there are the game's alignments and there are the character's alignments. Scorpion is always neutral, but according to each game he sometimes fights for a specific side. (MKII=good, MK3=evil) |
Indeed, in this case we're debating about alignments. I've explained my thinking, you've explained yours. Rather than go back and forth over and over trying to convince one another to think the other way, lets leave it at this, since we both understand one another now.
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You thought wrong, my friend. |
There's no "wrong" way to think, just smart ways and stupid ways, and mine was certainly the former as opposed to the latter. I commend you, you're proving to be more like smiley98 every day. And I do so enjoy a challenge.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:07 pm
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the reply is oh so elegant, not quite as funny, but elegant
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