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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:52 pm
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In the United Kingdom there has been a revision of what animals are safe, dangerous and uncontrollable. These sanction basically tell you whether you have a certain animal for a pet and if so do you need a licence the list is as follows;
Safe (No Licence Required): There are your basics like domestic cats, domestic dogs, domestic rodents but now you are allowed to own Woolly Lemurs, Tamarins, Owls, Titis, Squirrel Monkeys, Sloths, North American Porcupines, capybara; crested porcupines; cat hybrids; wild cat ; pallas; little spotted and geoffroys cats; kodkod; bay and sand cats; blackfooted cat; rusty-spotted cat; cacomistles; raccoons, Coatis, lingos; little coatimundi; binturong; kinkajou; hyraxes; guanaco; vicugna; emus, sand and mangrove snakes; Brazilian wolf spider
Dangerous (Requires a Licence): Argentine blackheaded snake; Peruvian racer; South American green racer; Amazon false viper; Middle Eastern thin-tailed scorpion; dingo, Tasmanian devil; eastern and eastern grey kangaroos; wallaroo; red kangaroo; new-world monkeys capuchin, howler, saki, uacari, spider and woolly; old-world monkeys baboons, colobus, gelada, guenons, langurs, leaf monkeys, macaques, mandrill, mangabeys; the patas and proboscis monkeys; the talapoin; anthropoid apes chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, gorillas; gibbons and siamangs; leaping lemurs; large lemurs; giant armadillo, Giant anteater; wild dogs wolves, jackals, the maned wolf, bush dog and dhole; wild cats bobcat, caracal, cheetah, jaguar, leopard, lion, lynx, ocelot, puma, serval and tiger hyaenas; badgers (except Eurasian badger); otters; tayra; wolverine; fisher and ratel; bears; civets; walrus; eared seals; true or earless seal; common seal elephants; aardvark; wild asses; horses; zebras
If an animal is deemed uncontrollable you are not allowed to own one as a house hold pet regardless of licence. There are a few safe ones I have missed but what I want to know is your opinions to be honest some animal mentioned above wouldn't really make good house hold pets and I never really though the list needed changing. Some animal are never meant to come out of the wild.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:27 pm
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i think pets shouldn't be as freely available as they are now. infact unless your blind and you need a pet to help you do day to do things, then you shouldn't be aloud one at all
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:41 am
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what about lonely old people?
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:14 am
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| psyco wrote: | | i think pets shouldn't be as freely available as they are now. infact unless your blind and you need a pet to help you do day to do things, then you shouldn't be aloud one at all |
so am I supposed to interpret this as "no one should have a dog or cat in their house"? or something to that effect?
'cause honestly, if I didn't have my rabbits, Chiro and Shiroi, I would be a very lonely and depressed young woman.
these were my babies when they were little bitty. I love them like they're my children, and my husband and I take very good care of them.
(Shiroi is the white rabbit, and Chiro is the the brown one. their names are Japanese for their colors. ^_^ )
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:34 am
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Can't stop looking at bunnies... so adorable...
Anywaysm back to topic, am i the only one who thinks it odd that you dont need a liscence for a Racoon nor a Squirle Monkey? What about ferrets? Is that a domestic rodent?
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:08 am
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its just my opinion, what can i say i dont like pets...
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:02 pm
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| VainZiler wrote: | Can't stop looking at bunnies... so adorable...
Anywaysm back to topic, am i the only one who thinks it odd that you dont need a liscence for a Racoon nor a Squirle Monkey? What about ferrets? Is that a domestic rodent? |
I didn't think you needed a license for a ferret. they sell them all the time at the Japanese pet store here, and I've known people to own ferrets back in the states. they're rambunctious, that's for sure, but it's kinda like having a persnickety cat that likes to hide in small places all over your house. ^_^
I dunno about squirrel monkeys or raccoons, though. I think for things like that, it should be evaluated on a case by case basis. I mean, what if these animals were born in captivity to a domesticated parent? would you really want to send them on their way back into the wild where they obviously can't defend themselves? I wouldn't.
| psyco wrote: | | its just my opinion, what can i say i dont like pets... |
well, you don't have to own animals. that's fine and dandy. that's the beauty of it, is that it's your choice to own a pet, so an animal doesn't have to be an important part of your life. but for other people, their pets aren't just animals. they're members of the family, can be substitute for children in couples that can't conceive, and can be companions for lonely senior citizens who don't have any family or friends that care.
I don't mean to sound like a total jerk face about it, but seeing other people's opinions and their reasoning behind it will help you to be a more understanding person, and all that kinda stuff. =)
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:12 pm
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| ChibiHana wrote: | | I don't mean to sound like a total jerk face about it, but seeing other people's opinions and their reasoning behind it will help you to be a more understanding person, and all that kinda stuff. =) |
not at all, were all entitled to our opinions. ive always understood reasons for pets 'and that kind of stuff'.
imagine your an animal your taken away from your parents, trapt in a place where you don't particularly want to be getting violated all the time by seemingly never ending petting. also if your not a pet person and you go to a pet owners house, usually you have to formally meet the thing and get its fur all over you and you have to shower as soon as you get back home.
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:12 pm
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| psycho wrote: | | imagine your an animal your taken away from your parents, trapt in a place where you don't particularly want to be getting violated all the time by seemingly never ending petting. also if your not a pet person and you go to a pet owners house, usually you have to formally meet the thing and get its fur all over you and you have to shower as soon as you get back home. |
I think someone has had some issues with pets before ^^
But, in all honesty, if I for some reason woke up in an open field somewhere in the body of some fuzzy little animal, then I'd try pretty damn hard to get a human to take me in.
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:08 pm
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its fare game, its what your there for...
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:18 am
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| VainZiler wrote: | Can't stop looking at bunnies... so adorable...
Anywaysm back to topic, am i the only one who thinks it odd that you dont need a liscence for a Racoon nor a Squirle Monkey? What about ferrets? Is that a domestic rodent? |
You're right it is odd that you don't need a licence to keep a Racoon because they are very vicious yeah and I also find it odd that some monkey do not require a licence because of the demanding responsibility to keep them. This is exactly the reason why I don't think the revision is wise.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:14 pm
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Re. the whole licensing thing - Sparkle reckons things depend a lot on endangered status of the animal in question, where you live and on environmental factors in your immediate area. For instance, Australia has a stricter policy on those things, mainly because we have a fragile & unique ecosystem here, which is much more vulnerable to pests, and other disease outbreaks carried by pets. Its fair to say that in the UK and most parts of the US things things don't get out of control as much as it does here, possibly due to seasonal cold climates and other factors Sparkle doesn't care to discuss in depth.
In the case of the raccoon, their natural climate in the US and Canada is very similar to the one in UK. If one or more escapes, they will adapt very well to the UK climate and become pests, and intrude the habitat of other indigenous animals, such as foxes, etc. So Sparlke would expect licenses for those. Squirrel monkeys can only survive in tropical climates, so they need to be sheltered and looked after - if you don't want to call the taxidermists. So essentially they are less of a threat to the local ecosystem compared to raccoons. *scratches head*
| Quote: | | imagine your an animal your taken away from your parents, trapt in a place where you don't particularly want to be getting violated all the time by seemingly never ending petting. also if your not a pet person and you go to a pet owners house, usually you have to formally meet the thing and get its fur all over you and you have to shower as soon as you get back home. |
Dude, it's not as simple as that. 90% of pets are already bred in captivity, with lots of human contact. These animals don't know anything else, so it's perfectly fine in most cases. If you captured one in the wild, then of course, that could be a problem. Having said that, just because animals are bred in captivity, it doesn't imply that makes it OK. A lot of animals are kept in abhorrent conditions, particularly places such as pet shops in shopping centres. If you want a pet, adopt one from an animal shelter, or get one from a reputable breeder.
Owning a pet is OK, provided you are being responsible and look after them. Unfortunately, there are a lot of fucks out there who can't even look after their own children properly, let alone animals in captivity. But why should these fucks get in the way and punish everyone by banning pets, particularly for responsible pet owners?
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:43 pm
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| Mr Sparkle wrote: | | Owning a pet is OK, provided you are being responsible and look after them. Unfortunately, there are a lot of fucks out there who can't even look after their own children properly, let alone animals in captivity. But why should these fucks get in the way and punish everyone by banning pets, particularly for responsible pet owners? |
the problem is people expect to much.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:13 pm
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I respect your opinion psyco but what you have been explaining is the extreme circumstances of pets. You say people expect too much, but I say when pet ownership goes wrong its usually that people expect too little as they believe a pets say for this example a sloth would be easy to care for because its sleeps most of its life but people don't expect the really expensive food they have to buy for it, the amount of crap they have to clean up, giving it a suitable habitat to live on. People only look from a superficial view. But even because of these I think people should be allowed to own pets just be more restricted on what they should be able to get. As Sparkle said (and dude you broke your make no sense tradition) a couple of these creatures get out they could mess with the natural habitat.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:37 pm
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that's not entirely what i meant, i meant that owning a pet isn't a right, its a luxury(if your into that kind of stuff).
regarding the whole captivity thing, sure its better that way. but have you read 'to kill a mocking bird' - my memory is fuzzy but i remember it has something to do with slavery, and imo owning a pet is an extension, only slightly less cruel, but nether the less.
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