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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:04 am
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For those who are unaware, the US government seeks to control the content of our games, but we have a governing body to do that already: the ESRB. This movement has been motioned into action because of parental stupidity, and the lack of parents taking the time to read what exactly is contained in the game in question. A senator in Mississippi preaches he will support these laws if elected for his term into office. I, for one, will not stand by and let our government control what we play and what's in it. If you wish to join my fight, I have a banner of the group I have joined posted in my sig. If the hyperlink does not work, the address is: http://www.videogamevoters.org. Any and all support in moving to push for these laws to fall would be greatly appreciated. These laws represent a violation to the US Constitution in the 1st Amendment, which guarantees our right to free speech, including putting any kind of content into our games, even if it is quite violent.
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:48 am
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Pro tip 1: This isn't the first time something like this has happened; whether it's music, movies, books, someone will always find a reason for it to be governed by our political leaders, but it wont happen. Why? Money would ultimately be lost. The Video game industry is a billion dollar industry that grows even bigger with each day under independent companies: the government would have to possess the rights to all these companies to actually restrict the construction and sale of any game made.
Pro tip 2: Our constitution is nothing more then words on old paper: rights are simply an illusion. But that's a topic for another day.
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:28 pm
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You pose a two good points there, my friend. I am merely expressing my views on this subject, but also if there are those as vocal about this as I am, I wish to recruit them as well. Our Constitution may be words on old paper, but it is seen as one of the most powerful documents. Those old pieces of paper gave us the right to stand up for what we believe. I joined because I want to at least make an attempt at shutting down these movements for good because those parents who complain about games like Mortal Kombat are just plain ignorant when the majority of the blame lies on their shoulders.
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:05 pm
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Your consitution is treason to the King of England! Only joking. But we may be getting the same trouble over here. As some may know Germany have overbearing laws on video games and with the possibility of a united EU consitution (please Ireland do not give in, independance is the way!) we would no doubt bow to those laws due to how weak the current government is.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:25 am
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That's horrible that things may end up that bad where you are, Jabbawocky. My support goes out to you, and I will speak with the creators of VGVN and see if we can extend this internationally. Perhaps you could aid our cause by signing up with the Video Game Voters Network. If the US passes that law, I guarantee you I will be marching with a series of protesters until they repeal this law. If these laws pass, it will be about as bad as Prohibition, and we all know how that ended. For all of you who are fighting these laws, do not give in until you achieve your goal. Let the fight for video games continue!
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Ok, so what exactly is the problem here? (This is not meant be a "Sparkle being an arse hole" type of question.) Is the government trying to implement a more robust classification guidelines? Or is it another one of those "10 commandments = law" type of thing from the bible belt? Sparkle has no problem with good classification system, provided it does not come at the expense of shielding adults, too.
You guys should consider yourselves lucky. Here in Australia we don't even have an R18+ rating for games (R18+ is an "adults only" classification). So basically we are in a situation where a ton of games get Refused Classification (i.e.. banned) because some titles would only make it in the "adults only" category. Dev houses only have two options: Either gimp the game and make it suitable for soft cocks, or not publish the game at all.
Since Aus games don't get an R18+ rating, like movies do, gamers will end up being dicked in the shitty by the people running OFLC (Office of Film and Literature Classification). Well actually, no. Technically, the dicking is done by a single Attorney General - a douche bag called Michael Atkinson. You see, any rule changes made to the OFLC can be automatically vetoed by a single Attorney General. Michael Atkinson did just that: The people running the OFLC actually made recommendations to change the classification rules for games, so that they are is more consistent and reflect the rules currently used for movies (i.e.. introduce R18+ rating). His response was an automated "plz protect the [fucking] children".
When you have a single narrow minded douche vetoing recommendations on a whim, what chance do you have? Nothing.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:05 pm
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Sparkle, the government seeks to remove ALL games from the market. Their narrow mindedness has caused them to think games like Mortal Kombat, and a lot of other violent games on the market are the reason for the increase in the crime rate. Mainly what has gotten this issue to surface is the ignorance of parents to neglect to read the label and notice that their kids who are about 8-9 years old and younger should not be playing M rated games, then when their kids have nightmares, or something, they blame the gaming companies and say that they're too violent and will cause people to imitate what they see. This movement is starting in Mississippi, but will soon spread all over if we do not take proper action.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:29 pm
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You have to admit that violent video games have become a parents scape --!#$@-- for bad parenting. Luckily over here at the moment we have the Video Appeals Committe in which if the BBFC refuses a game a certificate they can take thecase to court and get it released under special circumstances e.g Manhunt 2.
Why is G-o-a-t censored?
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:50 pm
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| Scorpion53 wrote: | | Sparkle, the government seeks to remove ALL games from the market. |
lol really? You've got nothing to worry about. Not that Sparkle believes this nonsense in the 1st place. As VainZiler said, it's a big industry and at the end of the day... money talks. Big publishing houses have too much vested interest to let the gaming market being snuffed out like this unchallenged. Think EA, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Sega, nVidia, ATi, Intel, etc, etc. All big players, with deep pockets. Then you have half the country playing games all the time. Combine that with your 1st amendment thing, who ever wants to implement this law will probably crash down in flames, and have their Holy Book shoved deep up their arse.
Re the --!#$@-- thing - it's not just shit parenting. How about, not selling firearms like candies? It's one of the things that should be scrapped from your amendment. "Right to bear firearms" - against who? The Mehicans? The --!#$@-- Canadians?  Redundant. Sparkle does not understand.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:11 am
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| Mr Sparkle wrote: | | Scorpion53 wrote: | | Sparkle, the government seeks to remove ALL games from the market. |
it's not just shit parenting. |
Sparkle, that is the MAJORITY of the reason why anti video gaming laws have become the talk of the town again. If it wasn't for parents trying to make the claims that video games are too violent when the majority of this is THEIR fault for not reading the rating on the game, then none of this would be happening. I have read the articles regarding these laws, and I know my shit. Parents have a responsibility to show their kids things that are appropriate for their age. If they fail, and give a child a game that was intended for adults, then yes, this issue IS concentrated around shit parenting. Of course money talks, but a lot of the time, the voice of the people outweighs the voice of money.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:58 am
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| Scorpion53 wrote: | | Parents have a responsibility to show their kids things that are appropriate for their age. If they fail, and give a child a game that was intended for adults, then yes, this issue IS concentrated around shit parenting. |
I highly disagree. If we went by every study talking about things that are 'bad' for kids, then I should be a walking bomb: I was raised on all forms of metal, including death metal, I've been playing video games, including MK, since I was 3, my bed time stories growing up were either the sexual escapades of my uncles when they would baby sit me, or something written by Steven King when my mom was home, I was the only kid in preschool who debated which horror villain was better, Pin Head, Freddy, or Jason?, and I could go on.
The point is, the perception of what's 'bad' for kids is just something designed to blanket the youth from reality. What parents should be teaching their kids is the difference between reality and fiction, and personal responsibility.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:17 am
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Thanks, Vain. You just proved the point I was trying to get across. That parents should be teaching their children about responsibility and establishing the difference between fiction and reality.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:50 am
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Sure, parenting is a big influence, Sparkle never disputed that. However, when you see a situation where a kid slaughters an entire classroom full of students, you'd have to start thinking that there is probably a combination of factors playing here. Hence shit parenting alone does not explain everything.
Sparkle thinks that cultural and social elements can influence a kid just as much as parents can. Some of the classroom slaughter scenarios revealed that the perpetrator's parents were quite down to earth. Despite all that, the kid went nuts anyway. Conversely, you have examples of kids being quite "normal" even though their parents can be hardly regarded as human beings.
Although the most frightening aspect (from down here) is America's obsession with firearms. It's out of control. Bit like giving a retard scissors and letting him run around with it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:03 pm
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When it gets to the stage of people shooting loads of people, the only reason it leads back to video games is because its a common idea despite being incorrect. A person who willingly kills an entire group of people has serious mental issues that possibly could be inspired by the video game but its not like the video game tells you to go out there and kill and very few cases gives a true interpretation of mass slaughter.
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:34 pm
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Jabbawocky, that is a really good point you have expressed, and is a strong argument against the idea of having anti gaming laws in the US. I'm hoping and praying that this movement dies down within the next few months or so.
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