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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:57 am
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Does anyone have any cheap moves for any of the characters?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:19 am
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Sindel's ankle-grab. It is very hard to jump away in time.
Sub-Zero's ice throw when done repeatedly
Mileena's teleport kick.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:34 pm
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thanks i got to try those
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:57 pm
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How about trying Scorpion's Teleport kick or try my combo out: Spear your opponent and do the Hellfire move, or even the Backflip or the Teleport kick (this will have your friend to scream "Hey, you're cheating!")
And for Sub-zero, Freeze your opponent and do his shoulder attack
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:10 pm
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darkraiden
those are some good one
thanks
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:15 pm
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Hahaha, Spear and Freeze are SO easy to avoid, and even easier to punish...you will get you ass kicked if you rely on them.
Unless you're playing against the CPU. The CPU blows at avoiding moves.
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:23 am
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Actually, all of those moves aren't really cheap at all. If you want to find cheap gameplay, play online. Some people do it so much, it's pathetic.
S-Z's freeze-to-Ice clone isn't cheap, because it doesn't do much to help you in the long run, considering what else you could do, since the guy is frozen anyway.
Stand a ways from Sindel, and you can notice her ankle grab easily and whip out a low block. The move catches people off-guard, but it's slow in execution.
When you fight Scorpion, it's smart to keep a close eye on him, because if you see him starting the Teleport Kick animation, do a block. Again, it normally catches people off-guard, but there's a good bunch of animation that you can see beforehand.
Mileena's Teleport Kick...eh, I guess that could be cheap. That one is fast. So is Raiden's teleport.
Dairou's move is probably the cheapest in the game. That one where he falls backward on the ground and the victim flies up. I'm not even sure if it's blockable.
Kobra is easy to be cheap with, too. Just low fireball a lot, and if they aren't smart enough, you'll have the game in control. (I f*ckin hate Kobra)
If you REALLY wanna be cheap with multiple moves (when you fight human players)...
Use Scorpion's overhead sword smash (makes the victim pop-up), and then throw out a spear. From this point, the spear was unblockable if you're standing close enough. Then trip the opponent and do a Hellfire when he's getting up. While he's unable to move from Hellfire, do a combo. If you can connect the first attack, it works almost all the time against human players.
Or do the Teleport punch with Noob to switch to Smoke, and immediately do a smokescreen. If the person tried blocking, he'll get stuck in it. Then grab him and do whatever. So cheap. In fact, there is more to this for 70%+ damage if the opponent has no breakers. I just forget how the rest was done.
I know a lot of 'em. Again, this is only when you fight other human players (The CPU tends know when to block a little too well). But...they don't make you any better of a player. I've found ways to avoid them all (Sub-Zero kicks ass).
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:42 am
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awesome thanks ScorpionVision
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:22 am
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Mileena's teleport kick, cheap eh? Just keep a close eye on her and ready your block button. When the moment you see her fall through the ground, block. It's that easy. Same with Raiden if you think he will attack you. Dairou's tombstone drop, eh, I guess that's cheap and very, very annoying. Kobra's and Liu Kang's low fireball, eh, when they are my opponents, when they use fireball, I just simoutaneously duck and block.
Oh, anyone think Smoke's teleport uppercut (Smokeycut) is cheap?
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:27 pm
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no i dont think thats cheap because you can block it then uppercut them
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:18 am
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| DarkRaiden-Zero wrote: | Mileena's teleport kick, cheap eh? Just keep a close eye on her and ready your block button. When the moment you see her fall through the ground, block. It's that easy. Same with Raiden if you think he will attack you. Dairou's tombstone drop, eh, I guess that's cheap and very, very annoying. Kobra's and Liu Kang's low fireball, eh, when they are my opponents, when they use fireball, I just simoutaneously duck and block.
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Smoke's Teleport uppercut is NOT cheap. In fact, it's slowest of Noob-Smoke's moves to execute, so just watch the animation, and block. Smoke instantly becomes vulnerable long enough for you to smack him around.
Raiden's teleport is marginline cheap...as in almost being a cheap move. I say this because the teleport is almost faster than the time you have to react to it (and he's always behind you). And yes, you can block, but he can just grab you...and Raiden's grab does a lot of damage. He is still capable of any range of attack at that timeframe.
What I do is a quick low slash with my weapon, as Raiden cannot block in time if you slash RIGHT when you see his image materialize.
Another trick with teleport-crazy Raiden players is to commence into a long combo when you think he'll teleport. If he does, you automatically turn around, still doing the combo while he gets beat up. Because he teleported during your combo, there wouldn't be enough time for him to block or duck.
And I can agree with you with Mileena's Teleport Kick. After fighting her again, I've come to that realization.
I don't think ANY move is cheap except for Dairou's Tombstone drop. It's freaking unblockable. If a move is unblockable, AND deals damage, then it is automatically, without question, a cheap move. That is why I f*ckin hate Dairou, and Dairou players who use that move.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:56 am
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Do you know anyone who likes Dairou? Hell, ALMOST EVERYBODY PLAYING MK:D HATES DAIROU!!!! Who's with me?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:42 pm
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i hate dairou so much its impossible to block the tombstone drop even if you do raidens flying move you still cant block it
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:12 am
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Oh, sh*t! I think we made ourselves visible here. This thread is opened for cheap moves. We revealed Dairou's Tombstone Drop. This means people who read this will keep using Dairou in online play! Why Midway made this game with a character with a cheap move that will be repeatedly used is a mystery. [Almost, if not] No one likes Dairou. People who read this thread now use Dairou, even though they hate it, to conquer online play. Why, Midway, why make a character this cheap?
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:21 am
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Don't get too hasty over the fact that we have reminded users of an ultimately cheap move, DarkRaiden-Zero. After all, it's not like it was a big secret to begin with, and many people nationwide probably know about it already.
Online play may be plagued with a lot of cheap players, but they don't dominate the population. There's still way more honest players.
Who knows, maybe you CAN dominate online play with Dairou, if you play your cards right, but it's not like you're invincible when you start off. There's a lot more to consider with MKD's fighting system than to just rely on a special move. You can still jump over the tombstone drop, or freeze him right before he does it with Sub-Zero, so he gets frozen afterward (if you anticipate the attack wisely enough), or knock him into a death trap, or go on an all-out offensive against him so he'll waste his breakers, and you can beat him into submission with 40% or even 50+% combos later, or some other tactics. But, again, because it's unblockable, there are too many odds in favor to Dairou to consider that move not cheap.
As cheap as it is, you still have to be very good of a player to beat EVERYONE online. And though the move is as sinister as it is, I haven't found ANY who have been THAT immorally willing to try and master Dairou and his cheap move exstensively. The lack of competitive spirit from cheating all the time, combined with constant bashing by online users, will prevent any cheap player from pursuing for very long.
(And trust me, it's not the coolest thing in the world to know that everyone in the world online is making vulgar statements about you...while you KNOW they are right. What people say online is NOT monitored.)
It's already been noticible that most good players don't do it; A majority of expert players play pretty fairly, without resorting to Dairou.
It utterly shocks me as well, that Midway threw in a move so over-the-top of cheap as Dairou's. Maybe it was unintentional, maybe it was an attempt at breaking new boundaries with their fighting system. Whatever the case, it failed. But it doesn't come anywhere near bringing down MKD entirely. It's still an awesome game to play online and off.
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