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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:42 pm
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Thats exactly right.
The ironic thing about people here who think they hate terrorism, like to have pictures of Ninjas on their signatures. Ninjas were considered terrorists by the Samurai.
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:11 pm
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Just curious.....which Ninjas are you referring too?
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:59 pm
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| shadowninja4 wrote: | | Just curious.....which Ninjas are you referring too? |
Scorpion for one. I mean his whole existence was based on terrorizing.
As for Ninjas being Terrorists, Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi states:
"They [Ninjas] considered themselves to be merely practitioners of political, religious, and military strategies that were cultural opposites of the conventional outlooks of the times. Ninjutsu developed as a highly illegal counter culture to the ruling samurai elite, and for this reason alone, the origins of the art were shrouded by centuries of mystery, concealment, and deliberate confusion of history."
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:14 pm
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But Mortal Kombat has nothing to do with terrorism. My dig has ninjas in it, but the ninjas on it have nothing to do with real terrorism, its entirely fictional. Scorpion terrorised Sub-Zero because he tore him away from all the things in life that he loved, wouldnt you do the same? The ninjas of MK arent anything to do with the samurai, many arent actually ninjas they just use the ninja guise for stealth or to hide thier appearance.
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:38 pm
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| Noob Saibot5 wrote: | | But Mortal Kombat has nothing to do with terrorism. My dig has ninjas in it, but the ninjas on it have nothing to do with real terrorism, its entirely fictional. Scorpion terrorised Sub-Zero because he tore him away from all the things in life that he loved, wouldnt you do the same? The ninjas of MK arent anything to do with the samurai, many arent actually ninjas they just use the ninja guise for stealth or to hide thier appearance. |
Agreed! And they definitely dont involve the 9/11 incident. 
This topic is about 9/11 not 'Brotherhood of SHadow lead by noob hijacked a plane and crashed to the twin tower buildings!' 
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:06 pm
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| Noob Saibot5 wrote: | | But Mortal Kombat has nothing to do with terrorism. My dig has ninjas in it, but the ninjas on it have nothing to do with real terrorism, its entirely fictional. Scorpion terrorised Sub-Zero because he tore him away from all the things in life that he loved, wouldnt you do the same? The ninjas of MK arent anything to do with the samurai, many arent actually ninjas they just use the ninja guise for stealth or to hide thier appearance. |
Here's the problem with 'terrorism.' Its a concept. There are people in this world who are terrified of snakes and spiders. To be in a state of terror is real easy in this world. Hurricane Katrina could be considered a 'terrorist' because it kills innocent innocent civilians indiscriminantly and attacks without warning.
You say Scorpion 'terrorized' Sub-Zero because he tore him away from all things in life that he loved. Well guess what, thats exactly the excuse terrorists use to recruit. Terrorists also wear masks and guises to infiltrate their enemy.
Now, I'm not saying that we should stop playing MK because they have NInjas on them, my point is terrorism is a concept, so hence it takes many forms.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:53 pm
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| Ghost_Rider wrote: | Here's the problem with 'terrorism.' Its a concept. There are people in this world who are terrified of snakes and spiders. To be in a state of terror is real easy in this world. Hurricane Katrina could be considered a 'terrorist' because it kills innocent innocent civilians indiscriminantly and attacks without warning.
You say Scorpion 'terrorized' Sub-Zero because he tore him away from all things in life that he loved. Well guess what, thats exactly the excuse terrorists use to recruit. |
Ok wait a second. When people are "terrorised" of Spiders, its because they have a phobia of them, a natural fear that triggers in their mind. "Terrorism" is when people kill and torture innocent civilians to acchieve their goals. Hurricane Katrina, like the Tsunami incident, is classed as a natural disaster. The hurricane didnt do that deliberatly, it was a force of nature that cant be controled, Terrorists can be controlled. It cant be classed as a terrorist because it has no mind of its own and it has no goals to acchieve by killing people.
As for the recruiting system, many Terrorists recruit because of their faith. They think that everbody who does not follow their religion are infidels and unclean in the eyes of their god (I think its Allah). True, some people join because of their own personal pains, but if they had sense they would realise they are inflicting the very same pain that others inflicted on them. Dont try justify terrorism, it cant be justified its the cruelest thing the human race is capable of doing (other than animal torture and destroying the O-zone layer)
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:40 pm
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| Noob Saibot5 wrote: |
Ok wait a second. When people are "terrorised" of Spiders, its because they have a phobia of them, a natural fear that triggers in their mind.
"Terrorism" is when people kill and torture innocent civilians to acchieve their goals.
Hurricane Katrina, like the Tsunami incident, is classed as a natural disaster. The hurricane didnt do that deliberatly, it was a force of nature that cant be controlled, Terrorists can be controlled. It cant be classed as a terrorist because it has no mind of its own and it has no goals to acchieve by killing people.
As for the recruiting system, many Terrorists recruit because of their faith. They think that everbody who does not follow their religion are infidels and unclean in the eyes of their god (I think its Allah)
True, some people join because of their own personal pains, but if they had sense they would realise they are inflicting the very same pain that others inflicted on them.
Dont try justify terrorism, it cant be justified its the cruelest thing the human race is capable of doing (other than animal torture and destroying the O-zone layer) |
Your only scratching the surface to the reality of what is really going on. No one here is trying to justify terrorism, but to say that 9/11 was terrorism, but having indiscriminant murdering bombs dropped over your head is no different.
There are some pains far worst than death. I'd like to see how you fair by having you strip naked and piled onto a human pyramid, forced to anal rape another human being. Afterwards, have your leg pulpified by a Louisville slugger and constantly kicked in the groin just for saying the word , "God."
Or how about seeing your sisters legs hanging from a tree, then have some US Soldier take a picture of it so he can get access to porn?? How would you feel if your country was taken over and ripped apart by foreign people just so the occupiers can feed their hunger for oil and natural resources and their ex-fundamentalist friends can turn your nation into fuedal Japan.
Have you noticed these terrorists came from countries that are in chaos since the time their colonial western powers took virtual control of them?
Iraq = Created by France, Britain, and other Western Powers. Saddam - installed by Western Powers.
Afghanistan = Buffer nation neither Britain or Czarist Russia could take over or control. It was created to stop 2 hungry colonial powers from destroying one another for India's Riches.
Palestine - Jewish Homeland invisioned in Europe by alienated Jews of Europe. Nation was GIVEN to them by the Brits without even worrying about what kind of repurcussions this would cause among the already present Arab populace.
Pakistan - Nuclear nation created by the British to split India and Afghanistan into zones of influence. Ruled by the dictator who was allied and a giant supporter of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. After 9/11, changed colors and now continues to sponsor terrorism in Afghanistan and India, while enjoying US support & arms.
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Yemen - Created into different nations and ruled by Oil Sheikhs friendly to the US. 'Nuff Said.
Iran - Oil Rich Nation created by Britain, France, and Russia. It had its democratically elected leader assasinated and replaced by a Western friendly Puppet Shah Reza Pahlavi who was removed by Fundamentalists.
Every one of these puppet governments massacred their own people, in what many called "STATE-SPONSORED" terrorism.
Again if you limit the definition to killing innocent civilians for any purpose, how do you explain state-sponsored terrorism?
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:43 pm
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I never said what happens in those countries is OK. Its far from it. All im saying is that terrorism in general is wrong and it should be stopped. Wheter its american soldiers or suicide bombers, terrorism should be stopped, and trying to justify it only makes it worse. Nobody should take sides in this, at the end of the day its wrong and it shouldnt happen.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:20 pm
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The reason they are in Chaos from these countries is because at one point they all had great empires over these countries and they belive (unjusly i might add) that they desrve to give payback 1,000,000 times worse! I mean are thewy all nuts!
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:56 pm
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| Noob Saibot5 wrote: | | I never said what happens in those countries is OK. Its far from it. All im saying is that terrorism in general is wrong and it should be stopped. |
EVERYBODY knows its wrong. I agree, but to fix the problem takes everybody, not just the governments who are partly responsible for it happening in the first place.
My belief is the terrorists have always tried to make a political statement with their terrorism. They attacked the US people because the US people elected the governments that have fueled wars in their country's, or supported dictators and murderers in others against their own people.
Those governments allied with western powers murdered their families, destroyed their homes and lives, and now they seek vengeance. Since attacking their own Western backed governments, (which is 100 times more oppressive than the West would ever want for their own countries), would be political suicide, they attack the west for supporting it. Their peaceful protests fell on deaf ears in the public because their own media outlets are state controlled. Even peace protests are put down with heavy handed force. Refer to what happenned in Uzbekistan a few months ago.
Theres no question, the president of Pakistan is a dictator, the president of Egypt is a Dictator, the leaders of the CAR's (Central Asian Republics) are all dictators, the Oil Sheikhs of Saudi Kingdom are despotic leaders. But they make their money because the other richer Western countries dont want to urge them to change so long as their own interests are met.
Therein lies the double standard. For example, The West agreed Saddam was bad, but Europe declined because it had oil interests in the region. The US attacked, Europe took no part in it, and said it was fighting under the guise of 'legal' change. But Europe wouldn't hesitate to send their engineers and professionals to work on government contracts to make money off of rebuilding. Australia has troops in Afghanistan, and possibly Iraq too.
Terrorism is not something new, its a concept that has worked throughout history. Native Americans & Native Aborigines were known as savages to the Colonial settlers. A savage describes someone who is brutal, rude, animalistic, but now we call them brothers after the colonial ancestors brutally massacred them and forced them into little vestiges of their former lands, we make movies about them, and use them as our team mascots, dress up like them for halloween, they even inspire videogame characters.
Terrorism is a broad concept that has no meaning. What is the world really fighting? A bunch of frustrated individuals who have no armies, no country, no future, except wreaking vengeance and destruction on all those that oppress them. They have hatred for the leaders who are virtually enslaving them, and exploiting them. and hatred for those countries who sponsor them.
They are the Yang to the West's Yin. A bastard of our own making.
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these terrorists blow they can all die we should just kidnap every one of em interrogate them and shove a grenade down there throat. the worthless douchebags
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:34 pm
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| smoke13 wrote: | | these terrorists blow they can all die we should just kidnap every one of em interrogate them and shove a grenade down there throat. the worthless douchebags |
wow... way to value human life there, buddy. things like that make us no better than any terrorist.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:32 pm
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yeah well... not us personally the government plus with what they did to us then thats the least they disserve im sure some people would agree with me there plus whos honestly gonna know the government keeps all kinds 'o' secrets from citizans
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They hit the U.S because it's what the u.s did to them. They kept on trying to take over or trying to start fights with them or something like that.
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