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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:42 pm
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im fucking sick and tired of sum1 makin a thread, about anything relevant and interesting, then scorpion and sub-zero somehow come up, then maybe the issue of sub and scorps liking or hating each other, then having some dickhole bitch about scorp not protecting sub. it is really annoying coz it drifts away from subjects and retards who think theyre right get it wrong
in mk2, scorpion vows to protect sub-zero as he killed his brother in Mk1
In MK3, Scorpion works for Kahn but turns on him when he sees that kahn is targeting sub-zero. he of course fails and goes to the netherrealm.
In MK4, the ever scheming Quan Chi manipulates Scorpion and says that it was Sub-Zero 2 all along.
Simple as that. Stop arguing back and forth about the issue coz its cleared up now.
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:03 pm
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I totally argee with you about this it is a tiny bit annoying reading the same thing over and over again it is just a bit tedious and dull i am just glad someone else thinks so aswell
in conclusion NO MORE REPEATING THE SAME THINGS 
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:11 pm
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You guys are both right, it gets so boring hearing the same arguments over and over again. It makes it sound like there are a bunch of elementary school kids discussing this issue. WHY BOTHER?!!!! IT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING!!!
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:54 am
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Yeah even in some other forums they would like continue the Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero issue, I told them like Scorpion got even with the first Sub-Zero so quit it, but still they continue on bragging about the Scorpion vs Sub issue.
All is settled Scorpion's vendetta with Sub-Zero is over, now we concentrate on Scorpion's new mission, his hatred for Quan Chi and his position as the Elder gods' servant/guard.
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:13 am
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Quite a bit of hatred here. lol
But seriously, what if Scorp had a sandwich from Sub-Zero's uncle's deli? And it turned out the meat was bad. There'd be serious rivalry, and that's why he protects the 9th sub-zero.
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Agreed in all seriousness. But nobody is really violating anything so I don't see anything within the rules I can exercise. And I ain't no Mod Nazi. I'm half convinced to sticky this thread. lol
Anyway, what do you guys think of the subscorp rivalry? j/k j/k XD
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:49 pm
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heres an excerpt from a faq i posted in the general MK discussion
"Q: Isn't Scorpion Sub-Zero's protector? Your FAQ doesnt seem to support it.
A: Though this is how many people have thought about the storyline, I have
found under close studying that it made more sense storyline wise that Scorpion
NEVER became the protector of Sub-Zero. It makes sense if you think about it.
For one if you read Scorpion's MK II ending and Scorpion's MKT ending, that is
the ONLY place that mentions him becoming Sub-Zero's protector, however there
is a common understanding that not all endings carry over to the next game, and
with that fact in mind we cannot assume that it did unless the next games bio
suggests it did, and since Scorpion's MK3 bio doesnt support his MK 2 ending
about being a protector and his MK4 bio doesnt support the MK3 ending, I have
concluded that none of Scorpion's endings ever happened. Also it makes sense
storyline wise. Just for example lets say he DID in fact become Sub-Zero's
protector in MK2 or MK3, it doesnt make sense for him to be protecting Sub-
Zero then all of a sudden trying to KILL him in MK4. Why the sudden change?
Many fans argue that Quan Chi tells Scorpion that Sub-Zero killed Scorpion's
family; however there is nothing that suggests this is true, which leaves the
argument invalid in my book. Also for those still skeptical Sub-Zero's Konquest
mode supports my idea of the story too the following is an exert:
"Scorpion has hunted Sub-Zero for years. He believed that Sub-Zero murdered his
family and clan. Now he believes Quan Chi to be the true murderer, and will not
harm Sub-Zero"
This clearly states that he was after Sub-Zero for YEARS, which means he did
not become the protector after MK2 or MK3. IF Scorpion had been the protector
he would have to done it BEFORE Quan Chi is found to be the true murderer, this
tells how Scorpion stopped hunting Sub-Zero AFTER Quan Chi is found to be the
true murderer.
UPDATE: EVEN THOUGH THE ABOVE IT SUFFICIENT PROOF I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT
SCORPION AND SUB-ZERO ARE LISTED TO BE FOES IN MORTAL KOMBAT DECEPTION. THERE
WOULD BE NO REASON FOR SCORPION TO TURN BACK ON HIS OATH TO BE SUB-ZEROS
PROTECTOR HAD HE ACTUALLY MADE THE OATH."
Now i use to believe that sub was protected by scorpion, until someone gives me some actual cannon that says diffrently than this above, i will continue to believe scorpion doesnt protect sub zero
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Sub-zero was protected by Scorpion but then Scorpion went to get a drink of water and Subby threw a snowball at him. It was really cold. Now they're like "I H8 J00".
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:33 am
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I agree with MKG_rain.
For one, I never take info from endings as canon, bcuz they might not get carried on to the next game.
For two, I didn't like that idea of Scorpion gaurding SZ in the first place....
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:44 am
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| Jay wrote: | I agree with MKG_rain.
For one, I never take info from endings as canon, bcuz they might not get carried on to the next game.
For two, I didn't like that idea of Scorpion gaurding SZ in the first place.... |
at first i thought it was cool knowing that the badass scorpion had your back, then as the series whent on and i payed attention to detail i thought that it seemed abit odd, however maybe something will happen in the future?
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Yeah, I mean we can't say that we're 100% sure, because the MK team can prove it or abandone it in the future.
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:45 am
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I think all this "protector" crap should just be wiped out. I prefer the good old days when Scorpion and Sub-Zero detested the sight of each other. Besides, it kinda makes Scorpion crappier now that he has no rival to devote his time into killing.
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:29 am
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Excerpt from MKII Scorpion's ending:
| Quote: | Upon learning of Sub-Zero's reappearance, Scorpion enters Shao Kahn's tournament. He witnesses Sub-Zero spare the life of an opponent and realises that this is not the same Sub-Zero who murdered him so long ago.
He lets the ninja live and goes on to defeat the Outworlders in their unholy contest. With the defeat of Shao Kahn, he discovers a new purpose for his existence. He becomes the guardian of the new Sub-Zero to atone for murdering his older brother. |
Again, endings of character's are not always canon and usually they aren't. My assumption was that he decides to spare Sub-Zero's life during MKII and then dies and is sent back to the Neatherrealm. In MKIII he manages to escape the Neatherrealm when Kahn fails to steal the souls from it.
| Quote: | | When Shao Kahn makes a failed attempt at stealing the souls which occupy Earth's hell, Scorpion is able to escape from the nether region. Free to roam the Earth once more, Scorpion holds allegiance with no one. He's a wild card in Earth's struggle against the Outworld. |
^Excerpt from Scorpion's UMK3/MKT bio.
I'd imagine that if he decided to protect Sub-Zero then he wouldn't turn on him in MK4 since he knows it is not that Sub-Zero that killed his family and clan, whether or not Quan Chi claimed so.
Since it is only in his MKII and MKIII ENDINGS that this concept appears (and his endings seem to mostly be not canon) there's a good chance that this doesn't happen.
I'd have to explore Konquest mode from MKDA and MKD though to be sure of this. It's just a theory, I'm not really sure what I believe on this subject.  Any excerpts from Konquest mode to support or deny the "Scorpion is Sub-Zero's guardian" theory?
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:46 pm
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| ShoeUnited wrote: | Sub-zero was protected by Scorpion but then Scorpion went to get a drink of water and Subby threw a snowball at him. It was really cold. Now they're like "I H8 J00".
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But scorpion got back at him as illustrated in this comic i posted previously in the fan art section
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9486/thesnowball8ms.jpg
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:21 pm
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Ok, it's settled. Let's all focus on Scorpion's vendetta with Quan Chi. He's the reason Scorpion still has a storyline in the games. Let's stop the bullshit with Sub-Zero because he is inferior to Scorpion so for this issue WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP?!!!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:43 pm
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| Scorpion53 wrote: | | Ok, it's settled. Let's all focus on Scorpion's vendetta with Quan Chi. He's the reason Scorpion still has a storyline in the games. Let's stop the bullshit with Sub-Zero because he is inferior to Scorpion so for this issue WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP?!!!! |
theres no need to snap dude. Quan Chi is probably one of the worst characters in MK history, and I myself find it insulting that Sub-Zero is replaced by him. Everyone loved the ninja rivalry, it just seems hollow now that Quan Chi has taken Sub-Zero's place. I'm sure others feel the same.
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