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omfg i just had a awesome idea maybe like since this is the last current mk game all the ninjas(rain,smoke,ermac,noob) who havent have a unmasked costume while have there alt costume be unmasked!!!wouldnt this be sweet!!!! lol
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No. No it would not. Do you know why? Because ninjas are ninjas, they are known for being secretive. What kind of ninja would Rain be for him to wear Shinobi attire, only to unmask himself? Rain would be more appreciated if he kept his mask on, that way, when the MK team do intend on killing him off, they can do so in an ending where he is unmasked and known as the traitor he is to Edenia. Plus the fact that fans will want to see more of him if they still think there is an air of mystery to him. I know for a fact that worked with me for Ermac in Deception!
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I think a sweet idea would be for them to have their cool modern costumes and have a third which is their original costume they had in the classic games.
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| Cory13 wrote: | | I thInk a sweet idea would be for them to have their cool modern costumes and have a third which is their original costume they had in the classic games. |
Yah that would be cool but unfortunely i don't think midway would include 2 alternates which sucks but oh well.
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If they all had their original ninja costumes, they would all look the same with different colors... that would get quite boring fairly quickly.
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| bloodyshadow wrote: | | If they all had their original ninja costumes, they would all look the same with different colors... that would get quite boring fairly quickly. |
not if they had three different costumes to choose from..and i meant all the characters to have three costumes.
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yeah as a theird alt costume haveing them all in the old gear would be kool im my mind but i'm with Noob Saibot5 on the unmasking thats a bad idea for me un less it's an ending!
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I've got my 2 cents for this topic right here.
I suspect the reasons for his new attire (other than just to say that MKTeam wanted to give him a new look since he's now in 3D) is that, having proven his loyalty to Shao Kahn and didn't betray him even after Kitana revealed that Kahn killed his father, he was probably promoted to a general of his armies. Also, with the Tarkatan hored on Onaga's side, Kahn needs a new batch of generals, ones he can trust. I think Rain's definatly earned that trust, as he's still fighting to merge Edenia with Outworld (reference: MKD Konquest mode).
For original ninja suit idea: I doubt they'll do this. The main reason is it would look far too bland. However, with Kreate-a-Kombatant, there's no reason why you can't make your own original looking versions of the 7 infamous ninjas.
Next, 'is Rain a ninja' ? While the term ninja is often thrown around a lot these days, I think we first should look at the proper definition of ninja:
| Quote: | nin·ja ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nnj)
n. pl. ninja or nin·jas
A member of a class of 14th-century Japanese mercenary agents who were trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage. |
| Quote: | | Stealth. A feudal Japanese group of spies and assassins. (Japanese) |
| Quote: | | a member of the ninja who were trained in martial arts and hired for espionage or sabotage or assassinations; a person skilled in ninjutsu |
Considering that Rain is not from Japan, nor is his fighting style ninjistu (I put my bet in the fact it won't be ninjistu in MK -AR considering he's from Edenia, but I MIGHT be proven wrong. But until we see it as ninjistu in-game, it isn't since he wasn't trained or born in Earthrealm). However, people describe Reptile, Ermac, and Noob-Saibot ninjas simply because they wear the masks to conceal their identities and bear striking resemblances in uniform to Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Smoke. If I were to put on a ninja suit, it would not make me a ninja. Therefore, technically speaking, Rain isn't a ninja. Having said that, he does commit acts of espionage, assassinations, etc. In Konquest, we see him seeking out the Edenian resistance cell lead by Jade, preparing to spy on, and eventually assassinate, them. So in that regard, he could be considered a ninja, also because he conceals his identity via mask.
Finaly thing: 'Should the ninja's be unmasked?'. My personal opinion, no!! I only really play as the ninjas because of their masks and that their identities are kept concealed. I lost so much respect of Kabal once I saw him in MK:SM without his face mask, and actually heard his voice. I don't ever want to see Rain, Smoke, Ermac or Noob Saibot with their masks off. It's bad enough we've seen Sub-Zero and Reptile (actually Reptile is ok since he's not even human in appearance, and Scorpion is just a skull).
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The reason for that is:
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Cheers, and sorry if my post is a long read, I had a lot to say.
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| Amphibious wrote: | I've got my 2 cents for this topic right here.
I suspect the reasons for his new attire (other than just to say that MKTeam wanted to give him a new look since he's now in 3D) is that, having proven his loyalty to Shao Kahn and didn't betray him even after Kitana revealed that Kahn killed his father, he was probably promoted to a general of his armies. Also, with the Tarkatan hored on Onaga's side, Kahn needs a new batch of generals, ones he can trust. I think Rain's definatly earned that trust, as he's still fighting to merge Edenia with Outworld (reference: MKD Konquest mode).
For original ninja suit idea: I doubt they'll do this. The main reason is it would look far too bland. However, with Kreate-a-Kombatant, there's no reason why you can't make your own original looking versions of the 7 infamous ninjas.
Next, 'is Rain a ninja' ? While the term ninja is often thrown around a lot these days, I think we first should look at the proper definition of ninja:
| Quote: | nin·ja ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nnj)
n. pl. ninja or nin·jas
A member of a class of 14th-century Japanese mercenary agents who were trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage. |
| Quote: | | Stealth. A feudal Japanese group of spies and assassins. (Japanese) |
| Quote: | | a member of the ninja who were trained in martial arts and hired for espionage or sabotage or assassinations; a person skilled in ninjutsu |
Considering that Rain is not from Japan, nor is his fighting style ninjistu (I put my bet in the fact it won't be ninjistu in MK -AR considering he's from Edenia, but I MIGHT be proven wrong. But until we see it as ninjistu in-game, it isn't since he wasn't trained or born in Earthrealm). However, people describe Reptile, Ermac, and Noob-Saibot ninjas simply because they wear the masks to conceal their identities and bear striking resemblances in uniform to Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Smoke. If I were to put on a ninja suit, it would not make me a ninja. Therefore, technically speaking, Rain isn't a ninja. Having said that, he does commit acts of espionage, assassinations, etc. In Konquest, we see him seeking out the Edenian resistance cell lead by Jade, preparing to spy on, and eventually assassinate, them. So in that regard, he could be considered a ninja, also because he conceals his identity via mask.
Finaly thing: 'Should the ninja's be unmasked?'. My personal opinion, no!! I only really play as the ninjas because of their masks and that their identities are kept concealed. I lost so much respect of Kabal once I saw him in MK:SM without his face mask, and actually heard his voice. I don't ever want to see Rain, Smoke, Ermac or Noob Saibot with their masks off. It's bad enough we've seen Sub-Zero and Reptile (actually Reptile is ok since he's not even human in appearance, and Scorpion is just a skull).
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The reason for that is:
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Thanks for explanation 
But in MK:SM we can see that Scorpion and Sub-Zero doesn΄t have the same uniform. So I think that the only reason why they had the same uniform (MK1-UMK3) was that it was easier for midway to create palette swap 
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| smoke-ish wrote: | | omfg i just had a awesome idea maybe like since this is the last current mk game all the ninjas(rain,smoke,ermac,noob) who havent have a unmasked costume while have there alt costume be unmasked!!!wouldnt this be sweet!!!! lol |
Hell yeah! I'd rather use them without their masks! It's not friggin halloween! Also I'd like to see Kabal given an alt. costume without the mask, that would rule imo! get rid of that god-awful mkd alt costume!
I'm all for them losing the masks! People in the real world don't walk around wearing silly masks unless their name is Michael Jackson! Or unless they're a cowardly terrorist making their friggin videos! Niether one is appealing!
To me, characters have a hellofalot more personality without the masks. With masks, they're nothing more than just some random, generic guy in a mask, no big deal, nothing special. Would Darth Vader be appealing if no one knew who he really was? If he was nothing more than just some deep voiced guy in a mask? Hell no, knowing who he is and what made him what he was under the mask makes him more appealing than he ever would have been, if the other 5 parts had never been made. Heck, the Predator even looks better unmasked as well. The only char that should be masked is Jason Voorhees. His mask is what sets him apart from all the generic movie zombies. So, in his case the mask works as an advantage, as long as they do show his ugly mug once in a while.
Reptile is better unmasked, as was Subzero, Scorpion's unmasked MKDA alt was awesome imo, much better than any of his other costumes. I'd like to see every masked char with an unmasked alt. costume. I find nothing appealing about seeing someone in a mask, I always want to see what's behind it. Mileena can lose the mask too, since we all know what she looks like anyway. The mask serves no purpose other than look silly imo. Baraka doesn't wear one, and he's got the same type mouth as Mileena. kitana & Jade ditched their masks for one of their costumes, and are much more appealing imo. Why be ashamed of their faces by covering them up?
Just because someone's ''ninja'' doesn't mean they have to wear masks, that's so corny! I don't see chuck norris, van damme, segal, etc. walking around everywhere in a mask. They could be considered as ninjas, given they're martial arts experts. IMO anyone who is a master of martial arts is considered a ninja to me.
The mk 'ninjas' are not sabotaging anything so there is no reason to wear masks to 'hide their identity'. they are competetors in a martial arts tounament (basically) and people who compete in martial arts tournaments don't wear masks. By now they all know who one another are so there is no 'concealed identity' factor, which makes mask wearing redundant and pointless.
the ninja outfits and masks were ok in the days of pallette swap mk, but I think they can do without them now. I would definitely like to see what they all look like unmasked, especially if they are never going to be seen in a mk game again.
I'd like to see Kahn given an unmasked alt. costume too! and Frost, Cyrax (MKDA alt.), Sector, and Drahmin. It's alot more fun and appealing imo, looking at their beat up faces, after a hard fought match, when they don't have a stupid friggin mask covering it up!
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| BadChad wrote: | | smoke-ish wrote: | | omfg i just had a awesome idea maybe like since this is the last current mk game all the ninjas(rain,smoke,ermac,noob) who havent have a unmasked costume while have there alt costume be unmasked!!!wouldnt this be sweet!!!! lol |
Hell yeah! I'd rather use them without their masks! It's not friggin halloween! Also I'd like to see Kabal given an alt. costume without the mask, that would rule imo! get rid of that god-awful mkd alt costume!
I'm all for them losing the masks! People in the real world don't walk around wearing silly masks unless their name is Michael Jackson! Or unless they're a cowardly terrorist making their friggin videos! Niether one is appealing!
To me, characters have a hellofalot more personality without the masks. With masks, they're nothing more than just some random, generic guy in a mask, no big deal, nothing special. Would Darth Vader be appealing if no one knew who he really was? If he was nothing more than just some deep voiced guy in a mask? Hell no, knowing who he is and what made him what he was under the mask makes him more appealing than he ever would have been, if the other 5 parts had never been made. Heck, the Predator even looks better unmasked as well. The only char that should be masked is Jason Voorhees. His mask is what sets him apart from all the generic movie zombies. So, in his case the mask works as an advantage, as long as they do show his ugly mug once in a while.
Reptile is better unmasked, as was Subzero, Scorpion's unmasked MKDA alt was awesome imo, much better than any of his other costumes. I'd like to see every masked char with an unmasked alt. costume. I find nothing appealing about seeing someone in a mask, I always want to see what's behind it. Mileena can lose the mask too, since we all know what she looks like anyway. The mask serves no purpose other than look silly imo. Baraka doesn't wear one, and he's got the same type mouth as Mileena. kitana & Jade ditched their masks for one of their costumes, and are much more appealing imo. Why be ashamed of their faces by covering them up?
Just because someone's ''ninja'' doesn't mean they have to wear masks, that's so corny! I don't see chuck norris, van damme, segal, etc. walking around everywhere in a mask. They could be considered as ninjas, given they're martial arts experts. IMO anyone who is a master of martial arts is considered a ninja to me.
The mk 'ninjas' are not sabotaging anything so there is no reason to wear masks to 'hide their identity'. they are competetors in a martial arts tounament (basically) and people who compete in martial arts tournaments don't wear masks. By now they all know who one another are so there is no 'concealed identity' factor, which makes mask wearing redundant and pointless.
the ninja outfits and masks were ok in the days of pallette swap mk, but I think they can do without them now. I would definitely like to see what they all look like unmasked, especially if they are never going to be seen in a mk game again.
I'd like to see Kahn given an unmasked alt. costume too! and Frost, Cyrax (MKDA alt.), Sector, and Drahmin. It's alot more fun and appealing imo, looking at their beat up faces, after a hard fought match, when they don't have a stupid friggin mask covering it up! |
Good point but everyone has there points some would love having alternate costumes with the characters having no mask and some like the mask like i like the masks on imo but you gotta see the masks is a part of that character why remove it. Kobra new guys like that are no masks cause that's the way they made them. Scorpion and the cyborgs and stuff are meant to have that mask on them it's who they represent in the clan. Just the thought of the team doing a fantastic job in both shaolin monks and deceptiona nd even deadly alliance which i never played giving each guy a different look is good enough.
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| BadChad wrote: | | Hell yeah! I'd rather use them without their masks! It's not friggin halloween! Also I'd like to see Kabal given an alt. costume without the mask, that would rule imo! get rid of that god-awful mkd alt costume! |
If you saw him in Shaolin Monks, I think your opinion about Kabal without his mask would change drastically. On top of that, you do see him unmasked in MK3 when he performs one of his fatalities. Not pretty at all.
| Quote: | | I'm all for them losing the masks! People in the real world don't walk around wearing silly masks unless their name is Michael Jackson! Or unless they're a cowardly terrorist making their friggin videos! Niether one is appealing! |
People in the real world don't shoot fireballs or steal souls either. If we wanted to see the real world we wouldn't buy fantesy games like Mortal Kombat where the it's not limited to realism.
| Quote: | | To me, characters have a hellofalot more personality without the masks. With masks, they're nothing more than just some random, generic guy in a mask, no big deal, nothing special. Would Darth Vader be appealing if no one knew who he really was? If he was nothing more than just some deep voiced guy in a mask? Hell no, knowing who he is and what made him what he was under the mask makes him more appealing than he ever would have been, if the other 5 parts had never been made. |
Actually, I really thought Darth Vadar was awesome until episodes 1, 2, and 3 were released. He became a whiney, stuck up brat who said some of the worst lines ever. He also was much more famous when he was masked than unmasked. The masks are part of their personality, not things to hide them necessarily. In episode 6 when you see him it's ok because it's for a short while. But seeing him fight and crap in the 3 newest movies ruined his character in my opinion. Not the Darth Vadar I imagined at all!
| Quote: | | Heck, the Predator even looks better unmasked as well. The only char that should be masked is Jason Voorhees. His mask is what sets him apart from all the generic movie zombies. So, in his case the mask works as an advantage, as long as they do show his ugly mug once in a while. |
Actually, the predator looks kinda shitty without the mask on. The mystery of not knowing what's behind the mask and knowing that you can't see the true face of such an opponent makes them much better. When you see what they're like it's kind of a disappointment. It's kind of like how Kenny in South Park was unmasked in the movie and it kind of sucked. I preferred it before we ever saw the boy behind the orange coat.
| Quote: | | Reptile is better unmasked, as was Subzero, Scorpion's unmasked MKDA alt was awesome imo, much better than any of his other costumes. I'd like to see every masked char with an unmasked alt. costume. I find nothing appealing about seeing someone in a mask, I always want to see what's behind it. |
I actually disliked Sub-Zero VI because he was first seen unmasked. But since he was never my favourite ninja to begin with I can't say it bothered me too much. And Reptile is a different case because he's reptillian and looks like a generic reptile. We saw that way back in MK2 and so there wasn't much of a huge secret there. As for Scorpion, in his MK1 ending when you see him unmasked (before he became Scorpion) it kind of sucked because you know what he looks like. When he's a spectre he's just a skull which isn't a big deal.
| Quote: | | Mileena can lose the mask too, since we all know what she looks like anyway. The mask serves no purpose other than look silly imo. Baraka doesn't wear one, and he's got the same type mouth as Mileena. kitana & Jade ditched their masks for one of their costumes, and are much more appealing imo. Why be ashamed of their faces by covering them up? |
Mileena uses her veil to be able to seem like Kitana. If she lost the veil completly, it'd be blatenly obvious that she was a fake, which defeats the whole purpose of Mileena. If she were ever to become ruler of Edenia, it'd only be through pretending to be Kitana, and therefore would have to wear her veil all the time.
| Quote: | | Just because someone's ''ninja'' doesn't mean they have to wear masks, that's so corny! I don't see chuck norris, van damme, segal, etc. walking around everywhere in a mask. They could be considered as ninjas, given they're martial arts experts. IMO anyone who is a master of martial arts is considered a ninja to me. |
Chuck Norris, Van Damme and Steven Segal aren't even remotly close to being ninjas. You can know martial arts and not be a ninja. In fact, the warriors of ancient Japan all knew various fighting styles, but were not considered ninjas. I can't believe anyone would even consider those actors ninjas at all.
| Quote: | | The mk 'ninjas' are not sabotaging anything so there is no reason to wear masks to 'hide their identity'. they are competetors in a martial arts tounament (basically) and people who compete in martial arts tournaments don't wear masks. By now they all know who one another are so there is no 'concealed identity' factor, which makes mask wearing redundant and pointless. |
Reptile is supposed to conceal his true looks and spy on the others and Shang Tsung. If they knew he wasn't human, then they'd know he was obviously working for Tsung and Kahn. Sub-Zero's identity must remain a secret because the Lin Kuei are a band of ninjas (though they dislike being called ninjas since Scorpion's clans are their rivals and are openly known as ninjas), but his identity is supposed to remain concealed. Also his mission was to assassinate Tsung in the tournament, his identity needed to be kept a secret. Scorpions conceals his skull but when he was alive his identity needed to be kept a secret. Smoke is also Lin Kuei so I explained why his face needs to be concealed. Ermac is an enigmatic entity made up of thousands, possibly millions of vanquished Outworld souls, he might not even have a face of his own behind that ninja mask. Rain perhaps wishes to keep is true identity a secret since he betrayed his own people, or simply because he too carries out acts of assassination (see MKD's Konquest mode). Noob Saibot is a wraith and has always been the dark, secretive type, revealing his looks would be just stupid IMO.
| Quote: | | the ninja outfits and masks were ok in the days of pallette swap mk, but I think they can do without them now. I would definitely like to see what they all look like unmasked, especially if they are never going to be seen in a mk game again. |
I disagree. A reason people like the ninjas is because they're enigmatic, we don't know their true faces and that makes us want to know more about them and it makes them more interesting. Notice that ninja fans often play soley as the ninjas or prefer them over unmasked characters? I know all my G.I. Joes have either a mask or helmet, and if they don't I broke them apart to use their parts to fix masked/helmeted ones.
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We saw Kahn unmasked in Shaolin Monks when Kang breaks his helmet. You again see him in the ending of SM. I thought it was shitty seeing what he looked like. I kind of disliked his character to be honest at that point. Cyrax was one of the best examples of when a character is unmasked, they are SHIT. I didn't play as Cyrax after he became a human instead of a cyborg. His character just seemed like trash to me. If they unmask Sektor too, I'll be very pissed off. Frost was unmasked in her alt costume which was kind of disappointing, but she was still reasonably hot. And Drahmin...he's just a mutated Oni, not much else to see.
Personally, I'll be extremely frusterated if they decide to unmask Rain, Ermac, Smoke and Noob (though technically you can see what Noob looks like in his Sub-Zero MK1 ending). It's bad enough the others were unmasked. Let's keep some of the enigmatic feel with the other 4. Just my 2 pennies.
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What're you talking about just cause he's from Edenia does'nt mean he won't use Ninjitsu,Kitana and Sindel use styles from Earthrealm  and yeah classic looking ninjas would be cool,but with slightly different changes to each so their not bland,Scorpion looked cool in Deception in his classic look.
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| Wraith wrote: | | What're you talking about just cause he's from Edenia does'nt mean he won't use Ninjitsu,Kitana and Sindel use styles from Earthrealm and yeah classic looking ninjas would be cool,but with slightly different changes to each so their not bland,Scorpion looked cool in Deception in his classic look. |
The only one who really uses Ninjistu is Cyrax thus far and he's from a ninja clan. However, I think this goes against a lot of previously stated points from MK history. For example, it was Scorpion's clan that created that particular fighting style, and Cyrax was Lin Kuei. So unless they adopted their rival clan's fighting style, this was a mistake. Scorpion should have been the one to fight in ninjistu, but oh well.
It is possible Rain has a similar fighting style, but I doubt it would be specifically ninjitsu.
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Ive got another question for Rain,ive seen a render of him with two knives that look like Kira's weapons,r they the shokan daggers u have to steal from him in mkd konquest?
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