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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:47 am
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| Amphibious wrote: | | Cory13 wrote: | | Does anyone know anything of human smoke's origin cuz i would realy like to know |
UMK3 bio:
| Quote: | | In his human form, Smoke was a lethal assassin working for the Lin Kuei. But when they decided to automate their ninjas, Smoke is caught in the middle. He became a cyborg assassin, whose human form would exist as a memory forever more. |
UMK3 Ending:
| Quote: | Winning the tournament enables Smoke to escape his artificial body. He then devotes his life to study the fighting skills of his counter part ninjas: Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Reptile. Withouth Warning Smoke once again vanishes...
He retreats into the hidden forest to continue his study, and will remain there until he has perfected the skills of the remaining ninjas and can compete in Mortal Kombat 4. |
This ending was originally the one they were going to use and put him in MK4, but instead they changed his ending in MKT and they decided to keep him as a cyborg, and not even feature him in MK4 or MK5. That is why Human Smoke's MKT ending is as followed:
MKT Ending:
| Quote: | Before his transformation into a cybernetic ninja, Smoke was one of the Lin Kuei's finest ninjas. It was during this time that he came to know his greatest ally - Sub-Zero. When the Lin Kuei decided to automate their warriors, the two attempted to escape. While Sub-Zero successfully eluded capture, Smoke did not.
He would become a robotic nightmare, his soul trapped inside a living machine. In his human form Smoke was a fierce warrior. In his mechanical body he is even more lethal. But his true form is that of a human, one he'll know again only in dreams. |
I hope that helps you out with some biographical information provided directly from his bios and endings, not made up crap.
| Quote: | | He´s not exactly human in his alt. costume in Deception. It´s just his ninja form and he is formed from smoke. I think he´s still cyborg, just in ´smoke mode´ |
I HATE when people say this! >_< Here is a pic of Smoke in his alternative outfit:
Note that there is absolutly NO machanical appearance to him. In images, his ninja mask is different and looks like it is made of metal but that does NOT make him a machine still! Even for in-game screen shots like the one above, his mask doesn't look like it's metal.
What the MKTeam has done was had for MKD is make Smoke's body appear more smokey-like as opposed to keeping him looking like a normal human, thus making him more of a diverse character. This was not possible in the earlier days with limited memory, so we can therefore extrapolate that Smoke has in fact always had a more smoke-like body than a human one. Or, perhaps he has just evolved more to better control his smoke abilities and thus looks like his body is entirely made of smoke.
Ed Boon said in an interview they decided to provide Smoke with both his cyborg look and his ninja one, meaning his alternative outfit is NOT his cyborg one!!! His only 'ninja' look is his non-cyborg one, that means that his alternative costume is his human/ninja one. End of story!
(As you can probably tell, I'm very passionate about MK and getting details right, ESPECIALLY about Smoke)! |
Ya know, this is the part where I should ask, "which side should I take?" His primary costume is 100% Cyborg, while his alternate costume is... cyborg demon man? I don't know. If that's Human Smoke, then why does he still have an arm panel? His Hara-Kiri is still the Self-Destruct mechanism. And what about the glowing red eyes? Doesn't sound very human to me. I'm not trying to be the bad guy here, but doesn't it seem obvious that his alternate costume's not human? He maybe 50% human in that costume, but he's not 100% human.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:14 am
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*sigh* here we go again...
| Quote: | | Ya know, this is the part where I should ask, "which side should I take?" His primary costume is 100% Cyborg, while his alternate costume is... cyborg demon man? |
No, his alternative costume is his 'human' ninja form. The reason he doesn't have human flesh is because now they have the graphical capabilities to make him look smokish, not just human. Look at him in Shaolin Monks, his body is smoke-like too. He never had a non-human AND non-cyborg costume. To make this easier, this is his "ninja" costume (which is the same as his human form, just now they have the graphics to make him look smokey, not just smoke effects around a human).
| Quote: | | If that's Human Smoke, then why does he still have an arm panel? His Hara-Kiri is still the Self-Destruct mechanism. |
Why does human Cyrax still have black blood? Oh, because the programmers are lazy. Why does Smoke only have a self-destruct hara-kiri? Because every character only has ONE hara-kiri, and Smoke is no exception, human form or not. It's just like how human Cyrax also had robotic parts coming out of him, which was a flaw. But it was there because the MKTeam is not going to give new moves to an alternatives costume.
| Quote: | | And what about the glowing red eyes? Doesn't sound very human to me. |
And shooting fireballs or ice projectiles does? Give me a break, it's a cool looking affect, nothing more. Though I've seen more people with red eyes than I have people shooting ice or fire in real life (be it contact lenses or pink-eye illness).
| Quote: | | I'm not trying to be the bad guy here, but doesn't it seem obvious that his alternate costume's not human? He maybe 50% human in that costume, but he's not 100% human. |
Not the bad guy, but just ignorant about the topic. Ed Boon himself said they wanted to have both of Smoke's looks in this game because they both had a fan base, so they brought BOTH of them back, cyborg AND human. Why does Smoke not look as human? Because the MKTeam has no given him a cooler look, making his body more smoke-like (as seen in the picture I provided) as opposed to normal human flesh. If this isn't his "human" form, then he never had a human form to begin with, because humans don't have smoke coming out of them.
Hate to say it, but you're wrong. End of story.
PS, no offence meant here, but I'm very knowledgable and passionate about this topic.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:44 am
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| Amphibious wrote: | | *sigh* here we go again... |
I have to say, I admire your patience. As you know, I gave up explaining things to people a while ago.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:46 pm
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| -SubZero- wrote: | | Amphibious wrote: | | *sigh* here we go again... |
I have to say, I admire your patience. As you know, I gave up explaining things to people a while ago.
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...while I was reading this...I was thinking exactly the same thing...no one's as passionate about MK around here than Amphibi...that's a fact...
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:11 pm
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| Amphibious wrote: | *sigh* here we go again...
| Quote: | | Ya know, this is the part where I should ask, "which side should I take?" His primary costume is 100% Cyborg, while his alternate costume is... cyborg demon man? |
No, his alternative costume is his 'human' ninja form. The reason he doesn't have human flesh is because now they have the graphical capabilities to make him look smokish, not just human. Look at him in Shaolin Monks, his body is smoke-like too. He never had a non-human AND non-cyborg costume. To make this easier, this is his "ninja" costume (which is the same as his human form, just now they have the graphics to make him look smokey, not just smoke effects around a human).
| Quote: | | If that's Human Smoke, then why does he still have an arm panel? His Hara-Kiri is still the Self-Destruct mechanism. |
Why does human Cyrax still have black blood? Oh, because the programmers are lazy. Why does Smoke only have a self-destruct hara-kiri? Because every character only has ONE hara-kiri, and Smoke is no exception, human form or not. It's just like how human Cyrax also had robotic parts coming out of him, which was a flaw. But it was there because the MKTeam is not going to give new moves to an alternatives costume.
| Quote: | | And what about the glowing red eyes? Doesn't sound very human to me. |
And shooting fireballs or ice projectiles does? Give me a break, it's a cool looking affect, nothing more. Though I've seen more people with red eyes than I have people shooting ice or fire in real life (be it contact lenses or pink-eye illness).
| Quote: | | I'm not trying to be the bad guy here, but doesn't it seem obvious that his alternate costume's not human? He maybe 50% human in that costume, but he's not 100% human. |
Not the bad guy, but just ignorant about the topic. Ed Boon himself said they wanted to have both of Smoke's looks in this game because they both had a fan base, so they brought BOTH of them back, cyborg AND human. Why does Smoke not look as human? Because the MKTeam has no given him a cooler look, making his body more smoke-like (as seen in the picture I provided) as opposed to normal human flesh. If this isn't his "human" form, then he never had a human form to begin with, because humans don't have smoke coming out of them.
Hate to say it, but you're wrong. End of story.
PS, no offence meant here, but I'm very knowledgable and passionate about this topic. |
Ignorant... thats kinda harsh don'tcha think?
Well, I stand corrected... Noob-Smoke just recently became my favorite character on Deception cuz I started to get good them, and I know both fatalities and their hara-kiri. Ya know, I am a knowledgable person when it comes to MK too, but when I need to know some more Facts about it to make my Knowledge of MK better... I ask questions. Thnx Amphibious. The World of MK is vast, and you never know when Midway might change sumthin. I'm wanting to know these things.
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:29 pm
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| Amphibious wrote: | | icewinddale1 wrote: | )It does leave you wondering whether the nanotechnology has altered his body or the time he has spent in the netherealm has affected him
I also see your point about passion for MK I share the sentiment and unfortunately many of my hobbies, interests and even my degree have been caused by Mk
(How sad does that sound %) |
Well considering he still has a soul (or that's what it's implied over time) so perhaps the nanotechnology alters people differently. I mean, Smoke's body itself it not like a normal human one (just look at his alt costume) so perhaps the nanites didn't work properly? Look at Cyrax, his soul was returned by the Special Forces. Also in Ashrah's ending, he didn't want to co-operate with Noob Saibot in fighting her. I guess we'll find out more about Smoke in Armageddon.
Yes, the passion for MK is very powerful for both of us. I'm going into professional writing and I'm working on a freakin' MK encyclopedia that I'm hoping to get authorized through Ed Boon and the MKTeam and published as canon.  |
Sorry for this question but how do you define soul less? I define it as an inability to empathise with human suffering (similar to the Cybermen in Doctor Who) which would give the Lin Kuei a good logical reason to automate
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:23 am
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Well, given the fact Mortal Kombat is fantesy in genre, and 'souls' in Mortal Kombat refer to the energy entity which exists in every kombatant, I generally look at the soul as just that. Having said that, I always felt weary of the whole "loosing of soul" aspect with the cyborg ninjas, because it didn't make sense that automatig them would remove their souls, unless there brains were all that was placed into a machine body, or something to this effect.
However, your definition of soul is also a valid one. The reason I don't apply that is because Cyrax still showed signs of change and compassion before the Special Forces returned his 'soul'. You could argue that was simply due to the fact he malfunctioned while being exposed to prolongued time in the desert, or you could argue that his ending is non-canon considering his MKDA ending and primary costume.
The issue of "souls" in Mortal Kombat is controversial and difficult to discuss for a variety of reasons, which is why I didn't touch much on it until now. But to directly answer your question, the 'soul' I am refering to is the energy which makes humans "more than the sum of their parts", and what Shang Tsung steals from his defeated victims.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:40 am
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Ya know. I find it kinda funny that when you beat the game with Noob-Smoke, Noob Saibot will be in his classic uniform, and Human Smoke's still helping Noob. Human Smoke isn't a robot. Why's he still helping Noob? (I know midway was lazy) Human Smoke wouldn't have assisted Noob in killing Sub-Zero. If they intended on putting Human Smoke is the game, then why did Human Smoke assist Noob in killing Ol' Subby? Midway's getting a bit TOO lazy.
I'm sure I see the answer. They wanted Noob to be in his classic uniform, and if that had to be it, then Smoke had to be in his human form, cuz thats their alternate costume. Midway could've switched things up a bit for the ending ya know and make Smoke a cyborg for that matter.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:08 pm
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...I rarely contradict you Amphibi...though I feel I should throw this out...
...whether or not you make an excellent point and have obviously put a lot of time and work into this...topic...I think you can admit the truth and say the MK Team had assumed it was obvious it was Smoke's cybernetic form...and you have to look at things from the MK Team's point-of-view to be certain...
...or I'm just speaking out of my ass like normal...which wouldn't surprise me...
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:16 am
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Story wise for Noob-Smokes ending reply:
A.) That ending is not canon considering Sub is alive and well in Geddon
B.) Even if it was canon, you already explained that the MKTeam used both alternative costumes in the ending to maintain continuity. By that I mean, Noob had his alternative, therefore Smoke did too.
C.) Humoring everyone and saying that he was in his ninja human form in a 'canon' Noob ending, Smoke could still have been under Noob Saibot's control, or have simply pledged his loyalty to Saibot, despite his old friendship for Sub-Zero.
Refuting |{rave's post:
Ed Boon stated in an interview in the bonus disc of the game (featured in the Kollector's Edition only) that they returned BOTH of Smoke's looks to keep the fans happy: Ninja and Cyborg. He never had anything but ninja and cyborg looks. Again, his ninja look in Deception seems less human because they now have the ability to make better character designs, so he doesn't just have normak human flesh like the other ninjas. Also, in Shaolin Monks, Smoke does not have normal human flesh. Therefore, because the future games are retconed character looks (just like Reptile), Smoke has always had a smokey body, his "human form" was a result of lacking graphical capabilities and lack of space on the games. In the most basic of terms: Human Smoke = Ninja Smoke!
I don't know how people can keep this up. READ EVERY WORD OF MY POSTS! I keep having to repeat myself! 
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