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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:53 am
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Something I've been thinking about for a while... In the ending cinematic, it's Raiden who basically turns Shao Kahn into stone, allowing the shaolin monks to break him apart...But I was certain Raiden had no power in Outworld at all except to teleport around.
In fact, when Earthrealm became PART of Outworld, he couldn't even be there unless he became a mortal. So how is it that he has the power to turn Kahn into stone with electricity if he's in the heart of Outworld?
Just a thought. 
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:06 am
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And this surprises you? 
It is a good point, but after everything that went wrong in that game, I don't even know what to say about it anymore.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:31 am
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It's just one of the things I felt obligated to mention.
Oh, here's another one: The Neatherealm should only be accessable to those whose souls are corrupted with evil. I'd hate to think that Liu Kang and Kung Lao have evil, corrupted souls. They're Shaolin Monks!! Yet they still found their way into hell and out again.
And how about that Goro? Fleeing the scene without being defeated by Liu Kang in the intro movie? Come on, that's a FUNDAMENTAL event which has been spoken of in all of the classic games!
Ah, I'm getting worked up again. *takes deep breaths*. It's stuff like this that's making me put Shaolin Monks in the 'unofficial events' section of my Encyclopaedia.  Of course I'll make comparisons and references to the classic games to explain why.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:15 pm
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| Amphibious wrote: | Something I've been thinking about for a while... In the ending cinematic, it's Raiden who basically turns Shao Kahn into stone, allowing the shaolin monks to break him apart...But I was certain Raiden had no power in Outworld at all except to teleport around.
In fact, when Earthrealm became PART of Outworld, he couldn't even be there unless he became a mortal. So how is it that he has the power to turn Kahn into stone with electricity if he's in the heart of Outworld?
Just a thought. |
But In MKII you can play as raiden and use your god like power and the intire game is set in out world the same as all the levals in MK-DA & MK-D.
| Quote: | | Oh, here's another one: The Neatherealm should only be accessable to those whose souls are corrupted with evil. I'd hate to think that Liu Kang and Kung Lao have evil, corrupted souls. They're Shaolin Monks!! Yet they still found their way into hell and out again. |
I thought that you can't enter neatherealm unless you have some coruption in your soul, they do kill this is still Koruption and would alow them to enter but not enoghf to send them there if they Die. [like scorpion and Noob]
And as I've said befor johny Kage should have been killed cuz he is resurected later is he not?
[ yes I wonted to watch him DIE, Another reason I liked the second film  ]
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Inh theory you would have a seed of corruption in you if you killed anyone
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:37 pm
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| icewinddale1 wrote: | | Inh theory you would have a seed of corruption in you if you killed anyone |
I'd disagree, as we know Johny Cage went to the Earthrealm heaven after he was killed during Kahn's invasion of Earthrealm (MK3). I had the impression you could go to Earthrealm if you were actually corrupt as in evil, which Lao and Kang aren't since they're monks.
Shujinko was only able to get there after doing evil deeds. But fighting in a tournament is hardly evil in my opinion, especially if you have to fight to save your lives and the lives of your friends.
| Quote: | | But In MKII you can play as raiden and use your god like power and the intire game is set in out world the same as all the levals in MK-DA & MK-D |
I'm to believe that, while Raiden is indeed playable in the original MK2, he's really not the one doing the fighting. Instead he's basically coaching on the shaolin monks and earthrealm warriors. His bio from MK2 is:
| Quote: | | Watching events unfold from high above, the thunder god realises the grim intentions of Shao Kahn. After warning the remaining members of the Shaolin Tournament, Raiden soon disappears. He is believed to have ventured into the Outworld alone. |
And his ending (which we know didn't happen):
| Quote: | Familiar with Shang Tsung's lies and Shao Kahn's brutality, Raiden accepts their challenge to compete in an Outworld tournament. He is well aware of their scheme to unbalance the furies and invade the earth realm. Raiden vows to use all his might to end their treachery.
By winning the tournament, Raiden destroys Shao Kahn and all his minions. He also destroys the dimensional gates which would have been their passageway to the earth realm. |
In order to participate, it is likely that he would have been forced to temporarily relinquish his powers, as he did in MK3 (converted himself to a mortal) in order to help the Earthrealm warriors. His MKT bio:
| Quote: | | As Earth's sworn protector, Rayden finds himself banished in the merger between Earth and Outworld. When the Elder Gods refuse to assist him in aiding the Earth, he is forced to take matters into his own hands. He transforms himself into a mortal warrior to fight alongside his human comrades - this time risking his place in the pantheon of gods and giving up his own immortality. |
And again, in Deadly Alliance, he relinquishes his status as an Elder God in order to compete in Outworld:
| Quote: | | Disgusted, Raiden relinquished his Elder God status and returned to Earthrealm to gather support against the coming storm. |
When he was defeated, he destroyed himself and it was not until his essence returned to Earthrealm that he reformed as a god-like being.
I dunno it just seems unlikely that an Earthrealm God could be there in Outworld with any real kind of power. He had to become mortal in MK3 just to exist in Earthrealm. He probably had to do the same (or at least relinquish his status as a god) for MK2, MK5 and MK6.
Or, I could be going on and on about nothing and could be wrong about all of this. You'll have to decide for yourselves.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:31 pm
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everyone is born with evil inside them (or created in the mk characters case) lets face it no ones actually perfectly good youd actually get beaten up more you know and also i dont kind of understand it the netherealm every one should be able to go in cause you cant be compleatly good like i said everyone has evil in them otherwise your soul wouldent balence out and youl go crazy, its all to do with the balence of yin & yang   
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:13 pm
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Intentions also have to be taken into consideration
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:41 am
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Good and bad are points of view. But there are common points of morality and what is acceptable. People can do "bad" things but not be corrupt or evil, because their "bad" deed can possible be considered good, depending on the severity of it. Very few people in this world are what you could truly call evil, and even those people have their reasonings (though that does not in any way excuse their actions, merely helps us to understand why).
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:30 am
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Though perhaps you need to be more evil to enter the deeper levels of the netherealm ie:- Nightwolf entered the deepest levels of the netherealm when he was a sin eater in an attempt to trap Onaga
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