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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:41 pm
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That was fun.
Anyways, I'm upset trying to figure out how to glue the facts together. Liu Kang's ending in Deception is proven false, since he never becomes a 'whole' soul. But, Bo' Rai Cho's ending in Deception we know is true. Liu Kang's spirit appeared and encouraged him to fight. According to Liu Kang's bio he stayed in Earthrealm to aide his friends. That's all okay.
When did Rayden's Geddon bio take place? Does that mean he captured Liu Kang afterward? When he resurrected Liu Kang he immediately did his bidding, thus his entire Deception return couldn't have been the work of Rayden.
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Smiley98, I'm sure that Liu Kang would be pretty upset that his body was reanimated and used by Raiden, of all people, to slay numerous others needlessly in the "defense" of Earthrealm. While Liu Kang holds himself responsible for the doings of his corpse (even though he's not controlling it), when/if he finds out Raiden is behind it, he'll likely be both shocked and furious that the former Defender of Earthrealm and former Elder God could do such a thing.
|{rave, as I understand it, here's how events unfolded:
-Liu Kang is killed by the Deadly Alliance, his soul is stolen
-Raiden blows himself up in an attempt to defeat Onaga, he fails
-Liu Kang's soul is freed from the now dead Shang Tsung and remains in Outworld
-Raiden reforms on Earthrealm, corrupted by evil
-Raiden revives Liu Kang's corpse and uses it as an enforcer for "good"
-Liu Kang's soul aids Bo Rai Cho in his battle against the Tarkatan
-After the events of MKD, Shinnok proposes an alliance to Raiden
The first part of Raiden's bio takes place before MK1, the second part is during MKD, the third part takes place after MKD.  Hope that helps.
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| smiley98 wrote: | | Amphibious wrote: | Always the thorn in my funny bone, smiley. I believe however my math is correct in 6 months or less:
Last post was Feb. leaving
1.) March
2.) April
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In fact Jul 09-Feb 12=4 moths and approximately 28 days. lol 
| Amphibious wrote: | | I'd say there are some topics which are unique and rather than starting a new thread (as long as it hasn't been over 6 months and isn't far back in the board pages) then it's better to post in it again than make a brand new one, it's a bit silly really. Some people are constantly complaining about new threads with the same topics or titles, which is why I think revival (in some cases) is better than a whole new thread about something that's already been done. |
Totally agreed. That´s why I said I don´t like the 6 months rule
| Amphibious wrote: | | I didn't claim this thread was dead, or I wouldn't have posted in it. I mentioned that the post was SPAM, which is was. Not to point fingers, but I like to have a clean record. |
I was most concerned with one person who said 3 times that topic is ´dead´ even though it was not. I can´t say that person´s name (because doug would be probably mad at me  ). I was rather surprised that you didn´t check out the dates, but that´s ok now 
| Amphibious wrote: | | Now, to save someone else from the trouble, this thread has gotten way off topic and has only shown a splinter between what should be a unity of the Sage's. Let's try to prevent such things from occuring again. That's what the PM system is for, out discussion area, and IM programs. |
There may be unity between the Sages, but more important for me is that there should be the same rules for everyone (I know he spammed, but he really didn´t ´revive´ the topic and I wouldn´t like this to happen again, not pointed at you, my Amphibious friend ). That´s also the reason why I haven´t PMed the unnamed person and instead I´ve posted it here. When I think something´s wrong, I´ll say it out loud. Sorry. I´m not going to change anytime soon.
And if someone is really to be blamed for this off-topic discussion, then it´s really me, I have no problem with that.
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Do you think Liu Kang´s soul is mad at Raiden for ressurecting his body as zombie and using the body in order to fulfill Raiden´s dirty orders?  |
I'm not mad at you but anyways, Spikeelliot already got his punishment as tmk banned him he had it with him too. The reason why i posted 3 or 4 times not to revive dead topics to him is cause if you only do it once, the person always disregards it and keeps on doing it. Tmk did the right job on banning him so he couldn't further keep on spamming and reviving dead topics in this place. Maybe i was off according to you on some of the threads being dead when there not. But most of them he posted in were a year dead so he rightfully got what was coming.
But back ontopic for this thread, I agree with what amphibious stated, any one who is dead and get's restructed back from the dead and comes back as a Zombie wouldn't quite be mr sunshine happy anyday. Of course he's probably pissed at Raiden for doing that and he has the right to be.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:55 pm
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| Ol' Reptilian One wrote: | -Liu Kang is killed by the Deadly Alliance, his soul is stolen
-Raiden blows himself up in an attempt to defeat Onaga, he fails
-Liu Kang's soul is freed from the now dead Shang Tsung and remains in Outworld
-Raiden reforms on Earthrealm, corrupted by evil
-Raiden revives Liu Kang's corpse and uses it as an enforcer for "good"
-Liu Kang's soul aids Bo Rai Cho in his battle against the Tarkatan
-After the events of MKD, Shinnok proposes an alliance to Raiden |
Hold on, why would Rayden aide Bo' Rai Cho after he was corrupted. Would both a corrupted God and a fair God need Onaga destroyed? I suppose so. I need to see Kang's Geddon bio. I've got to know his role, since it's so unclear.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:15 pm
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What are you talking about |{rave? When Shang Tsung was killed by the explosion, Liu Kang's soul was free. His soul was able to move about freely and think for itself. His corpse, which Raiden revived to act as his enforcer, was a mindless zombie, and completly seperate from Liu Kang's spirit. The soul of Liu Kang aided Bo Rai Cho, while the zombie version, serving Raiden, was going around rampaging and killing people who would "threaten" Earthrealm in corrupt Raiden's eyes.
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Whoa, brain damage. It just didn't click at the time, now I understand. It's instinct to know that one's spirit is with one's body. Totally makes sense now, all clear. Still got to see his Geddon bio though.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:42 pm
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Okay, I was ALWAYS under the impression that Raiden had resurrected Liu Kang? Why is everybody's stories soooo different from mine????
I thought I read that on Raiden's bio somewhere before????? 
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That's what I said happened. Evil Raiden revived Liu Kang's corpse, but Kang's soul is not inhabiting his body, and is instead roaming about Outworld, helping the allies fight against Shao Kahn's forces and assisting Ermac in freeing those who were under Onaga's spell (according to Liu Kang's MKD ending). In other words, right now, there's zombie Liu Kang (bad) and soul Liu Kang (good).
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Good! That is very good! See at least some people agree with me...
I mean I have seen almost all of everyone elses answers and it is just wrong...glad to know that so much. S ee...I know my Mortal Kombat history!!!
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So, now this brings me to a question involving Armageddon. In the intro, Lui Kang (or his corpse, anyway) is shown fighting Shang Tsung. The narrator says, "And old hatreds will be revived." So, if the corpse of Lui Kang is basically evil since its being controlled by Raiden, why is it fighting Shang Tsung? Wouldnt they be on the same side?
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It's already been official stated that the Armageddon intro shouldn't be taken seriously. Many characters die in the into, but they don't really die like that.
The general idea of the battle taking place is canon, but the details shown in the intro aren't.
Liu Kang's zombie fighting Shang Tsung is just eye candy.
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It could be that some time after MK Deception and some time before MK Armageddon, the soul was returned to Liu Kang's corpse, hence why he still feels the hatred towards Shang Tsung. It could also be that the corpse just possesses the memories of being killed and seeks revenge on its own accord, without Raiden controlling it. It could be either, and without Liu Kang's bio out we won't know for certain until then. Keep in mind though that even with the alliance between Onaga, Shao Kahn, Shinnok, Quan Chi, Shang Tsung and Raiden, they were all fighting each other in the intoduction movie, so it's like the intro movie takes place after the alliance is made in Konquest mode between said characters.
Liu Kang's ending from MKD may be one of the canon ones, considering it says:
| Quote: | Liu Kang's friends had been freed. Onaga had been defeated, and the realms were secure once more. But there was one battle that remained. Liu Kang's body had been used by some unknown force as a tool of destruction. It had left death in its wake and needed to be stopped. The chaos would end in Earthrealm.
The fight raged with neither kombatant able to best the other, when a jolt of energy crackled through them both. Liu Kang's nerves blazed like fire, and he felt a rush of air fill his lungs for the first time since his death. He was Liu Kang once more: Protector of Earthrealm, Champion of Mortal Kombat. |
We know Onaga was defeated, so that's true. And considering what's said in the intro movie, it's very likely Liu Kang's soul was transported back into his corpse body by evil Raiden and that's why "old hatreds have been revived". We do know however that if this happened, it would've had to of taken place after Liu Kang's soul encouraged Bo Rai Cho during his battle against the Tarkatan army, and quite possibly after he helped Ermac free the souls of Sonya, Jax, Cage, etc (don't know if this is canon yet or not either).
And, to reply to Jay, characters in the intro movie didn't die. We see them get stabbed and cut and still fight on. I'd argue because they are selected by the gods to be the kombatants, they survive what would normally kill someone, or they just heal very quickly. Intro movies are part of the canon sources IMO. Given the events of the intro movie, I'd place it as taking place near the end of Konquest mode, when everyone meets near the pyramid to race to the top.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:11 am
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Yes, intros are normally considered canon, but it's been officially stated that the specific events depicted in this intro are not. For instance, obviously Li Mei and Kenshi (and etc) were fatally wounded, but these aren't canon, unless retconned by the creators in MK8. Cage can be seen pushing Sonya trying to get to the top. Stryker was able to sucker punch Mileena and get away with it....
These kind of things aren't canon either.
And if Liu Kang's ending were true, and what we saw fight Shang Tsung was the real Liu Kang, then I'd REALLY hate that because then Liu Kang would be alive but be stuck inside a rotting body. I don't think Kitana would ever tap that.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:21 am
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| Jay wrote: | | Yes, intros are normally considered canon, but it's been officially stated that the specific events depicted in this intro are not. |
I was not aware of this. Who 'officially' stated it was not canon and where/when? Just curious.
| Quote: | | For instance, obviously Li Mei and Kenshi (and etc) were fatally wounded, but these aren't canon, unless retconned by the creators in MK8. |
Bo Rai Cho takes a dagger to the back and is able to turn around and vomit all over the place, seemingly unphased. We've also seen Baraka get stabbed by Kung Lao and be alright. Like I said, the kombatants aren't able to die to ordinary means. If they were, how is it that their continual combat could somehow weaken and shatter entire realms if they were to die so easily? They have to get a god-like person to do it, hence the whole point of defeating Blaze, and the tournament designed to have the majority of them get wiped out.
| Quote: | Cage can be seen pushing Sonya trying to get to the top. Stryker was able to sucker punch Mileena and get away with it....
These kind of things aren't canon either. |
Again, nothing really out of the ordinary. Stryker hit Mileena when she was awestruck, and Cage pushing Sonya was just hilarious, he may not of even known it was her until he'd already pushed, or it may be that something was affecting everyone to desire nothing more than getting to the top of the pyramid to fight Blaze, to obtain the god-like power. "Like mothes to flames..." the intro says, which makes me think everyone, if not most of them, were kind of hypnotised to be focused on getting to the top.
| Quote: | | And if Liu Kang's ending were true, and what we saw fight Shang Tsung was the real Liu Kang, then I'd REALLY hate that because then Liu Kang would be alive but be stuck inside a rotting body. I don't think Kitana would ever tap that. |
There hasn't been a canon source saying Kitana isn't a necropheliac.  But seriously, assuming Liu Kang and Kitana even survive to the next game, there's always a way Liu Kang could be restored to his original self, and the two have a fairy-tale, happily-ever-after ending together.
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The Stryker hitting Mileena bit was a joke.
Cinder, an administrator on the Midway forums, stated that the Armageddon intro was just a "mood setter", and not something to be literrally taken in terms of the story.
So yeah, everything you said can be true too.
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