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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:40 am
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Since Geddon's releasing bios then soon I'm sure we'll find out but it is a question that has laid in my mind since Deception first came out...
...these are the candidates that claimed victory...
Scorpion
Queen Sindel
Nightwolf
Tanya
Shujinko
Shao Kahn & Goro
Jax
All good warriors together
...Scorpion and Tanya I naturally remove as they're simply not able to tie-in what-so-ever...as well Jax's and the Kahn-Goro endings for they were not in the original version (concluding Vogel most likely figured who was the true champion from the beginning)...that leaves us with...
Sindel
Nightwolf
Shujinko
All good warriors together
...Nightwolf's ending IS correct as it is proven in his Geddon bio alas it is fairly certain his ending can be true while he did not actually slay Onaga...Nightwolf and Sindel both performed the same tactic by sending Onaga's soul to Hell...thus Nightwolf's was correct...
...that leaves Shujinko's and the 'good warrior's' combined strength...Havik and Kabal's ending show most certainly that it was a 'group' of fighters...alas...this is the contradictory part...
...the good guy's endings only showed the personal feud and ignored the Onaga dilemma while Shujinko's showed him receiving power from 'everyone'...the group couldn't have done it as it wasn't even shown and Shujinko couldn't have done it 'cause he's alone...
...my solution is that Shujinko fought beside the warriors of good while destroying Onaga and they left as a group...this easily opens for Havik's ending as well Nightwolf's...
...contradict me please...I started typing so fast I know I missed something...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:49 am
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Actually, I belive Scorpion was indeed the one to do it. Scorpion mentioned during Armageddons konquest the he suceeded in his mission for the Elder Gods, and in return they screwed him over by turning his clan back into an undead army.
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:09 am
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...perhaps by succeeding he meant merely that Onaga had been defeated, not by him, for the story highly contradicts many stories in the process such as Havik and Kabal's endings as well Johnny Cage's Geddon bio...
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...alas it is also doubtful that so many characters were fighting to find Onaga in Outworld while he was indeed in the Nexus where Scorpion was killing him...(Liu Kang and Ermac's endings)...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:36 am
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This is true, but perhaps it really was Nightwolf though, in his bio it says:
"After imprising Onagas soul..." so I guess the battle really did take place in the Netherwolrd (Where Nightwolfs ending said it took place in MKD), which would explain Cage running into Shinnok, and Cage taking role as leader of the good forces.
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:44 am
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...that's what took me so long to figure out...I think Nightwolf and Shujinko killed him...Shujinko physically and Nightwolf trapped his soul to the Netherrealm...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:49 am
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But it'd make more sense if it had been Sindel to deal the last physyical blow, as that would have caused the seperation of Onaga from Reptile (Asuming you take bits and peices of Sindels ending as truthful)
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:12 am
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...alas that is one concept that can not be explained (Reptile's deformation)...as I definitely can't see Sindel's ending as canon considering Nightwolf's ending was canon according to his Geddon bio...
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...as well, like Scorpion's ending, her ending would still contradict Havik as well Kabal's endings...alas soon-to-be Geddon bios could easily prove me wrong...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:24 am
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Actually, think of it like this:
Scorpion works under Elder Gods, meaning there could be a break inwhich, some of the good guys can respect him, he still watches over Sub-Zero as he promised in MK2 (or you could assume so) so we have Kenshi, Scorpion, and Sub-Zero as a team. now we know for a fact Cage was there, so that's Scorpion, Cage, Sub, and Kenshi. Sindel could have been there, for it was never exactly stated where Onagas tomb was (atleast I dotn remember it being stated) also, Kabal WAS a good guy for a bit, working with the forces of good during MK3, and so the good guys could have taken him up on an offer to aid them with Onaga, and Havik was with Kabal, while Kira and Kobra were aiding.
So now you have (that we know and I assume) Sindel, Cage, Scorpion, Kobra, Kira, Havik, Kenshi, Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Nightwolf. here is what could have happened:
They all fought Onaga, and when they started to get the upper hand, Sindel used the spell to seperate Onaga's soul from the body and put it in his real body, leaving Reptile to regain vcontrol and go to normal. They then fought Onaga in his real body, while Nightwolf prepared to bind Onaga. Scorpion landed the final physical blow (as pictured in his MKD ending), allowing Ngihtwolf to bind Onaga. after that, everyone began to go their ways, but Havik, Kobra, Kira, and Kabal stayed behind. Kira dn Kobra began to fight for the right to be the 2nd in command of the black dragon, while Havik took Onagas heart, and Kabal stabbed him and took it as his own.
And from there, Kabal could have purposely returned Onagas strength back to him, using his own heart, and left Havik there to be killed by Onaga as he and his new 2nd in command Kira, and the rookie black dragon memebr, Kobra escaped.
Logn theory, kinda whacky, but possible
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:44 am
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...alas two flaws! Sindel's ending shows her converting the souls purposefully for she was prepared to destroy Onaga with the Kwan Dao...thus Onaga would have been slain by her...
...as well...Reptile had not been reverted totally to human in Geddon...as he had originally been planned to be in his raptor-form...still his merged form would not confirm the ending's possibility...
...a few points made sense though I feel some points can not be proven yet...and we must await the completion of the biographies soon to come that may finally explain Onaga's slaughter...I still feel the combined Shujinko and Nightwolf endings more logical though any point-of-view very questionable...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:51 am
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THis is true, but again, 50% of my theory was based on assumption. Like say Sindel alone wasn't enough to kill Onaga, hence why she managed to put the soul back in, but Onaga was able to hold resistance. Also, if we asume that Kitana was with Onaga like in Sidnels ending, it's possible Kitana had gotten an upperhand over Jade and ran to Onagas aid.
Also Reptiles body may have been human, but they never shown the face, and we know that reptile can take a human disquise, but from beign away from his kind so long he lost said ability. Perhaps some of Onaga's power remained in his body, which allowed his body to take a tmporary human state, but it wasnt nough for him to keep it.
ALSO! Don't forget the Netherrealm drains the power of magic, so it's highly likely that Sindel's and Nightwolf's spells wouldn't last/work as well as expected, as well as the power from Onaga being in Reptile got drained which forced him back to his reptilian state
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:12 pm
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...the Netherrealm draining magic only helps Nightwolf's possibility considering he was in Hell during the time of his 'enchantment' while Sindel had performed her 'soul transfer' in Outworld in which case he was slain and no magic bound him to Hell...therefore Nightwolf's magic wore off and Onaga came back...logically...
...I feel both theories hold true to possibility and it is comforting to know the answers will be revealed and we will not be forced to argue this for eternity with no logical end...
...still...I found it funny you claiming Scorpion and Johnny Cage were on the same side during the conquest to slay Onaga...heheh...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:59 pm
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Hey, it could happen, and until I see a character bio that proves me wrong, I'm sticking to it >.>
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:11 am
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| VainZipper wrote: | | Hey, it could happen, and until I see a character bio that proves me wrong, I'm sticking to it >.> |
...really...  ...coincidentally, Onaga's bio just came out...you should look into it... 
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:31 pm
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Damn, so much for my theory...
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It's been pretty much confirmed (in Onaga's and Nightwolf's Armageddon bios) that Shujinko stopped Onaga's plan by destroying the Kamidogu and nearly killed Onaga. Just before he could finish him, Nightwolf's plan of binding Onaga to Hell happened. So when Shujinko landed his last blow, he really defeated Reptile (from what Onaga's bio says, I'd guess that Nightwolf's magic separated Onaga from Reptile's body, which would explain why Reptile appears in his, well, Reptile form in Armageddon).
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